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▲ erelong 14 hours ago

> nicotine is addictive, and is bad for you even if you don't smoke it

meh, this is legitimately disputed today, for example as there are less smokers today lung cancer has gone down but Parkinson's disease has gone up, suggesting nicotine does have some cognitive benefits

▲AnthonBerg 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Indeed, it seems to me that nicotine may indeed have beneficial effects in some contexts.

It is also readily apparent to me that nicotine is bad for us, generally and broadly.

The combination leaves wiggle room for nicotine to be a net-good lever on certain mechanisms. I do think it's best to avoid it; It's a challenging double-edged sword.

The molecular biology of how it's maybe-good and maybe-bad is probably the most useful aspect of it. It's a strange sort of bronchodilator and has weird and ambiguous antiinflammatory properties. (Which seem to tie in to how it is addictive: Short-term bronchodilation and oddly-shaped short-term antiinflammatory properties turn into bronchoconstriction and proinflammatory effects as time passes from taking nicotine, which feels like it would be rather inductive to generating a craving for more nicotine.)

Re. Parkinson's: Wild guess, addled brain hunching on nebulous perspectives, but I do think that nicotine's protective effects against Parkinson's are indeed related to the bronchodilation and antiinflammatory aspects, and more specifically it seems to me that Parkinson's has pulmonary basis. I think we're nuking our lungs in many subtle ways that in some of us cause the dam of cell death in the substantia nigra to break. How might we be nuking our lungs? Say… Air pollution, incl. microplastics and plasticizers, various disruptors of fine pulmonary epithelium and metabolic function and neuroendocrine autonomic control. And I'd think that once we start to lose fine autonomic control by way of loss of dopamine cells in the substantia nigra, we'd be poised to enter a vicious cycle of further loss of pulmonary foundations.

but idk, just sayin lol

▲themanualstates an hour ago | parent [-]

Why do you trust your imagination on this? That how folks thought before the French Revolution, invention of the scientific method, etc.

Actual evidence in the real world points to pesticides causing the rise in Parkinson’s:

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/08/opinion/parkinsons-pestic...

▲zulux 14 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I suspect we'll find that some smokers (in addition to being addicted) were self-medicating.

▲bell-cot 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Not sure about earlier, but during WWI cigarettes were smoked at incredible scale, to help deal with the stresses and horrors of war. Ensuring an ample supply to front-line troops was major gov't priority.

And I certainly have known cigarette smokers who explained "yes, I know they cause cancer and other bad stuff - but they also help with other serious (physical and mental) problems that I have, and I'm choosing quality of life over quantity".

▲themanualstates an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What? Why jump to that conclusion, without any evidence?

Especially in a context where most scientists blame pesticides?

▲ahlCVA 14 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Funnily enough, the main body of the post the author links to is about the exact opposite

▲girvo 14 hours ago | parent [-]

It is? Am I getting a different link to you, or is my reading comprehension just terrible at 9.30pm or something.

https://psychotechnology.substack.com/p/a-love-song-to-nicot...

It says the exact opposite to me?

▲ahlCVA 13 hours ago | parent [-]

This is linking to the appendix of a generally positive post (it's called "A Love Song to Nicotine") where the author caveats that some people report that they have indeed encountered addiction issues.

Weird that this is how OP chose to support their argument.

▲girvo 13 hours ago | parent [-]

And “bad for you” is left completely unexamined. It feels very dishonest to me, and it’s a shame because I was hoping to learn something new.