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▲ areoform 5 hours ago

How far have we fallen? Spies used to put effort into these sorts of things.

When the Soviets wanted to spy on the American embassy, they energized the steel rebars to act as antennas. The structure was so wired that the entire building was the bug. https://www.airandspaceforces.com/PDF/MagazineArchive/Docume...

Toilet paper, ESP-32 and Claude "make me a bug please"? Excuse me? How far have we fallen from grace?

▲JumpCrisscross 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Spies used to put effort into these sorts of things

Assuming this is espionage—for which I have seen zero evidence—isn’t Saudi Arabia notorious for having a fuckup of an intelligence operation? The literal hatchet job that was the Khashoggi murder comes to mind.

▲Tadpole9181 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I mean, why bother? Nobody will do anything and the US president can be bribed or flattered to say whatever you want later.

▲JumpCrisscross an hour ago | parent [-]

> why bother? Nobody will do anything and the US president can be bribed

To exfiltrate OpenAI's executive-level planning? Probably not. I doubt he has that access anymore, what with the IC's decimation over the last two years.

▲aprilthird2021 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲heylook 4 hours ago | parent [-]

"You're mentioning somebody that was extremely controversial," Trump said, referring to Khashoggi. "A lot of people didn't like that gentleman that you're talking about. Whether you like him or didn't like him, things happen, but he knew nothing about it. And would you leave it at that? You don't have to embarrass our guest by asking a question."

https://www.npr.org/2025/11/18/nx-s1-5612504/trump-saudi-ara...

▲ilamont 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In the 80s one of my high school teachers said her husband was an engineer who worked on surveillance technology and described how windows could be used as recording devices. People's voices inside caused the window to have minute vibrations, which could be measured by a laser pointing at the window's exterior and reflected back and then turned into audio output. Essentially, turning a window into a microphone diaphragm. It blew my mind.

I just looked it up, the technique was apparently invented by a Soviet engineer 40 years prior - Leon Theremin, who is also known for the musical wand heard on Led Zeppelin II and various 1960s horror movie soundtracks.

https://people.ece.uw.edu/nikitin_pavel/papers/RFID-vox_2013...

▲zzzoom 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Similar technique around the same time presented at SIGGRAPH:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKXOucXB4a8

https://people.csail.mit.edu/mrub/VisualMic/

▲claytonjy 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Vaguely similar, since electrical wires emit EM fields that are disturbed by human bodies, you can use a special camera to see who's in a building based on those disturbances. I'm not sure how high-fidelity or easy to spoil it is, but this was real technology at least 15 years ago.

▲HoldOnAMinute 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

xfinity is now selling a security product based on seeing people in your home with Wi-Fi signals

▲goatlover 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

Security or surveillance product?

▲cluckindan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is a feature in modern wifi routers and every single one is capable of detecting presence of multiple people within an apartment. With some training, movement can be distinguished from the data.

▲mikehollinger an hour ago | parent [-]

Philips Hue light bulbs can also do person detection if you have a few of them and the right kind of hub.

▲shimman 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I recall a HN thread (or maybe it was a github project) about using a similar tactic to figure out keypresses in offices. Very interesting stuff.

▲stackghost an hour ago | parent [-]

Wow, keypresses?

I would love a source if you have one.

▲darksim905 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲pennomi 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Surely this is because good spies don’t make the news.

▲xupybd 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Unless everyone's pagers start exploding

▲jonathanlb 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Counterpoint: Operation Spiderweb

▲crossroadsguy 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Even the newer spy novels are lacklusture. We should have preserved Le Carré's and Greene's brains and make them keep writing. Or maybe I will just ask an LLM to do a Le Carré for me :)

▲spuz 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Surely your conclusion should be that this was not the work of a spy - not a state sponsored one anyway. It's much more logical to conclude that he was working as a whistleblower or under some other personal agenda.

▲tdeck 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

LLMs have democratized espionage!

▲kennywinker 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Are we going to go with slopspionage, or espislop?

▲cobalt 4 hours ago | parent [-]

spycraft -> spyslop

espionage -> espislop

007 -> 006.999997

▲epolanski 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Counter spying has gotten sloppy and mostly digital/remote.

That lowers the entry bar for basic spying.

▲eli_gottlieb 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is what local models are for! On your own hardware, whose filesystem you can erase, shred, or physically destroy later.

▲TeMPOraL 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's what you get when you make a dumb prompt and accept the first result LLM gives you. You have to push it to think out of the box, get into the realm of insane but plausible projects :).

And not do this from your spouse's account.

▲kennywinker 4 hours ago | parent [-]

You are an expert spy. How do I bug my workplace? Make no mistakes.

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▲fortran77 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not only that, they had Leon Theremin design some of their bugs! That's classy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device)