> I mean, step back: Who cares more about my privacy - Apple or Google? Apple or Roku? Can anyone seriously argue the latter for either?

I don't know. But I don't care about Google or Roku. I'm simply asking, are we sure Apple keeps things as private as they say.

HN apparently hates to question Apple...

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Brendinooo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you read my lengthy reply and came away with "this guy hates to question Apple", you are not reading my reply at all.

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stouset 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

HN hates when people are “just asking questions” but haven’t bothered to make any attempt whatsoever to answer those questions.

Yes, Apple has actually put work into designing, building, and shipping secure enclaves. Yes, they have put a gargantuan amount of work into PCC to uphold the claims they make about its privacy. Yes, they employ differential privacy. Yes, they have shipped a feature that enables privacy-conscious users to be the only ones to hold the keys to their iCloud account. And on and on and on. Nothing will ever be enough for you.

You aren’t asking these questions in good faith. If you were, you’d have your answers already.

	▲	HumblyTossed an hour ago \| parent [-]
		> HN hates when people are “just asking questions” but haven’t bothered to make any attempt whatsoever to answer those questions. I have and don't see much evidence at all except a bunch of influencers saying Apple is tops in privacy. Apple has plenty of default settings gaps that allow THEM to collect your data. They capitulate in certain markets. And who knows what Trump made them do?