Apple literally does do the same thing. Especially (!) with Apple TV. Go read the eula's again. Apple TV, Apple Maps & Apple News all perform data mining largely akin to how their competitors do it. There are specific carve outs for those three services.

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Brendinooo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A quick search suggests that Roku does ~380 network requests per hour. LG smart TVs running webOS typically generate regular hourly background checks, plus periodic or continuous telemetry and Automatic Content Recognition requests.

Does Apple TV even do ACR in any form? Is it scanning my network and phoning home about it?

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halJordan 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Ah nice. You know Apple literally invented Bonjour and mDNS? They know what's on your network. The only difference is that we applaud them for it. Does the apple tv do acr? It has to, to do the first party "magic" it does. Again, we just applaud them for it because they "only use it for first party services." Why are you so offended that Apple is just another for profit megacorp.

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CharlesW 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Does the apple tv do acr? It has to, to do the first party "magic" it does.

You're just making stuff up. Apple TV does not do ACR.

Apple does provide a TV App API that allows select app developers to get a special entitlement allowing them to contribute viewing data. Read this carefully: https://developer.apple.com/support/terms/apple-developer-pr...

"Apple will obtain user consent based on the user’s Apple Account before including Your Licensed Application in the TV App Features displayed under that Apple Account. Apple will also provide users with the ability to withdraw such consent at any time thereafter and to delete their TV App Data from Apple’s systems."

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HelloMcFly 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Does the apple tv do acr? It has to, to do the first party "magic" it does.

I'm sorry, you're stating this like some obvious fact. Apple has previously said this is not the case and they do not do ACR. The Apple TV is the only Apple device I have, so you can set aside any reflexive critiques of my brand loyalty. What is your precise claim? Why am I a dullard for reading that Apple TV does not use ACR and believing it?

The entire reason I bought an Apple TV was to reduce the amount of data skimming happening in the background and ads being shoved in front of my face in the foreground, it's not like I'm lousy with options.

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andylynch 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s quite a take to make lan sharing some kind of grand conspiracy. Is LAN manager sus too?

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kakacik 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I just cant have a rational discussion with apple folks. Not here, not anywhere else. Its emotions and double values all way down.

For profit org that has its personalized ad part of business growing massively, is scanning all your photos, gives all data to NSA like there is no tomorrow is somehow better, becase carefully crafted PR said so.

Especially if one is not US citizen, or multinational, or US citizen not on US soil, and so on.

They make great, hard vendor-locked hardware and mediocre software. Lets keep them at that and not some magical privacy champions when they are not, not where it actually matters.

	▲	zapzupnz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> I just cant have a rational discussion with apple folks. Not here, not anywhere else. Its emotions and double values all way down. Your post doesn't sound any different, what with the tarring a group of people with the same brush. You've decided that your feelings about a type of company trump anybody else's opinions about a particular company. With a fairly derisive tone, at that.

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eli an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Unlike their competitors, Apple does not do Automatic Content Recognition (ACR). That matters to me.

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neya 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Apple literally does do the same thing. ... all perform data mining largely akin to how their competitors do it.

Funny how the OP carefully skimmed this part out in their reply, but BINGO, I think this is the attitude we should have towards privacy. Sometimes I just feel like we're talking to a bunch of bots on here when it comes to privacy with their blind support towards for-profit corporations that doesn't give a shit about them.

	▲	Brendinooo 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> the OP carefully skimmed this part out lol >we're talking to a bunch of bots on here Ah. Okay. In a different tenor of conversation I'd be happy to clarify but...not when I'm up against this.