As someone internal at Google I don't understand why there's so much criticism of Google models... but right now I'm using the next model beyond Argon, and Flash 3.8. In my personal Gemini app I only have access to 3.5.

Models move so fast now and Google is very cautious about releasing them.

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vessenes 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My complaint, and the complaint of many is not the models - they can be good to very good depending on use case.

What sucks, hard, is googles ability to deploy direct to devs and customers at scale when the deployment is not a longstanding Google project.

Case in point: I’m an ultra subscriber and see in my app right now an ad to try Gemini 4; meanwhile the only models I have available are 3.1 pro,3.6 flash, and 3.8 thinking.

Clicking the try gemini 4 link takes me to a demo prompt that loads 3.6 flash. Srsly

I won’t even start telling you what getting api key based access together was like a year ago.

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justinhj 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People have very short attention spans and cheerlead whoever is winning at any particular point in time.

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BoorishBears 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"I don't understand why people don't like our models but we can't get our act together on the products they use those models in"

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asdfman123 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Uncharitably misreading things on the internet and getting upset about them is not the best hobby

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user_7832 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I agree that reply was unnecessarily rude, but... idk man. I'm a huge cheerleader for Google [1], use 3.1 Pro via AI studio, I'm on a Pro plan... and I can't access this model? Not even a "4 chats per hour" type thing?? I mean, I have video generation access for some reason (no good for me), but Google's policies are baffling to say the least.

Ofc I know this isn't your fault in person, but I really wish Google would get its shit together.

...As a long time tech enthusiast I should probably stop being so delusional. Heh (cries internally)

1: lol I know who cheers for a trillion dollar company but I'd rather not cheer for OpenAI

	▲	asdfman123 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yeah, what I was trying to say is "the criticism doesn't make sense to me because I forget because I have access to the good stuff." As a Google employee my defense is it's hard for a company this big to move fast, but I can understand how Google customers would be annoyed.
	▲	vardump 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Didn’t check agy or AI studio, but at least Argon is available in Gemini page/app.
	▲	BoorishBears an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		There's nothing unnecessarily rude about my comment, they are literally unable to get their act together on product. The top level comment blamed cheerleading but let's apply critical thinking for a second as product people and look at the funnel: 1. Potential users sees new release 2. Potential user takes time to install and set up Google harness (you already lost 90% of people here, the funnel better close quick!) 3. Potential user cannot use new model. Then what? You hope they developed good will towards your model through this experience? You stuck a two week wait in your funnel? Is that the definition of not having your act together or what? We're on HN, how many of us have heard from Google staff this kind of stuff is a result of them growing so big that AI Cloud has to compete with Vertex Cloud, and AI cloud exists because Vertex Cloud needed 2 years to get OAI/Ant style API keys working and were losing dev mindshare in the meantime?

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BoorishBears an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Why are you doing that then?

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varispeed 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Because Google models are crap. They are on par with local shit models. Last time I tried they were unable to even hold a longer conversation, because they would enter loop and reiterate last answer regardless of the prompt etc.

Then basic mistakes (inferring wrong information from the given text, hallucinations...). Gemini is okay for some absolute basics and the rest of the work goes to actual frontier models.

	▲	jimjimjim 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		How long ago did you try it? Gemini models seem extremely capable to me. I've been using them in ag for over a year and to me the results are great. switching to opus in ag doesn't produce any better results for me