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| 19 points by jmole 2 hours ago | 17 comments | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I've been playing around with a new kind of isomorphic music keyboard that uses a base-12 notation, and wanted some sheet music to learn some new music for it. The idea is to represent each note in 12-TET as a number, so N ∈ (0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,X,Y). I used codex to build a music score rendering backend based on MuseScore with custom note heads that display the pitch class of each note. I've found it pretty helpful for learning how to play my own instrument, so wanted to share in case anyone else was interested. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | munch-o-man 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I like the technical fun of it, but no musician is ever going to give a crap about this. We have hundreds of years of the evolution of music notation and it is pretty comprehensive. Just because there are only 12 unique notes in western music doesn't mean base-12 to notate it makes sense....that completely strips out context of what you are playing. For example...in the key of aminor when you make the five chord major to create a resolution back to i (aminor) you raise the 7th scale degree. That means the G becomes G#...Ab is the same pitch but writing it that way is wrong. An EMajor chord is spelled E G# B, not E Ab B. Now if you spell that as 9 0 4 you have stripped all context out of the music. Musicians aren't just player pianos, they analyze the harmonic structure of the music the inform phrasing, shape, tone, volume, and pacing (acelarando, decelerando, ritardando, etc). Whenever I see something like this trying to reinvent standard notation I feel like it is usually from somebody who can kind of play an instrument but can't read music or can't read it well because they haven't put the years of work it takes to be a proficient sight reader and they haven't studied harmony/music-theory. One of the most important things about musical standard notation is that it is - standard - you can hand it to any musician on any instrument and they can make sense of it quickly. It is a skill that takes a lot of practice but it is what allows musicians who have never met each other to be hired for a gig and show up and play together without ever rehearsing. This approach won't teach you to "see" music either. It forces pure mechanical number memory....you won't see harmony and be able to quickly notice that - for example - a line is just moving the chord up in inversions and since you know harmony and your chords you can sight read that part without ever even reading every individual note. But still a cool idea from a hobby perspective. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | mrob an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I like the use of base 12, but IMO it's somewhat wasted on a diatonic staff. This is basically just traditional notation with special coloring to make it easier to read. To better match the keyboard, I'd rather use an isomorphic staff (a.k.a. "chromatic staff", although I dislike that name because it implies diatonic music as a default). There's a web site you might be interested in with many examples of isomorphic notation at: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | bennettnate5 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
It took me a while to understand what the numbers were actually trying to indicate (in part because I'm used to numbers in sheet music being suggestions of which finger should play the given note). If I understand correctly now, are you numbering zero-indexed with C as the beginning (0) and B as the end (Y), as a proxy for remembering which key notes are meant to be played in? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | sfpk 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I was working on a similar idea, I grabbed 2x PartyKeys and I was going to map each key to a finger ( left-pinky = orange ), but the API is such that -- if you have two boards (72 keys) and send a msg to a single board ( 1st key = orange ) -- it lights up both 1st keys (there's no way to address a single board). Was disappointing. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | skybrian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
I think you’d be better off with something compatible with an existing system. Perhaps start with nashville numbering and add accidentals? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | erelong an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
relatedly does anyone have a tool to generate piano synthesia videos from sheet music, maybe with or without AI? They seem fun to play along with. (I'll just look it up, commenting to share the idea too though) | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | archonis 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Site is illegible on mobile. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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| ▲ | BalinKing an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
What does "isomorphic" mean? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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