| ▲ | pmkary 7 hours ago |
| I don't get why Mozilla's designs are so ugly. It's 2026, everyone has beautiful designs and some browsers (Arc, Dia) are so gorgeous you don't want to work with anything else. And then this not-even-released mail app looks like old Bootstrap web apps. I used to love Mozilla for having some of the most beautiful designs. The era of Forefox OS and Firefox 4 with their beautiful beautiful designs and then they said no; threw out that beautiful dinosaur logo for whatever this ugly pointless one is and now look at their software. My eyes hurt for the amount of design problems in Firefox. Okay you made a bad one, at least start something new correctly. |
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| ▲ | WD-42 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don’t understand people complaining about Firefox UI. It barely exists. There’s a url bar with some buttons in each side. If you use vertical tabs, another bar with tiny icons for each tab. There’s so little chrome I can’t find any fault in it. It’s just grey, out of the way, as it should be. Edit: https://imgur.com/a/1I4gG22 tell me where the bad/ugly UI is. |
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| ▲ | squidbeak 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There's too much chrome. There's no way that I've ever been able to find to remove the fat fixed message header in reading view to see more of the message. | | |
| ▲ | fodkodrasz 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | There is too little in modern "nice" designs... on VS Code for example all the title bar is filled with junk buttons by default, and you have to search hard for a single pixel to be able to grab that window and move it. Decades of usability research thrown out the window thanks to Mac and web folks dictating the trends. |
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| ▲ | browningstreet an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just because you can’t see it doesn’t mean it isn’t ugly for others. Or will you just not allow others to have this opinion? It’s ugly. | | |
| ▲ | preg_match 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I think his point is that, even if you think it’s ugly, the nature of a web browser makes it irrelevant. The web browser is a window, 99.9% of the surface area goes to the website. Which is good. We could have prettier browsers which showed off more chrome, but that would be bad because we want to see the website. Also, the UX of most browsers is basically the same. Browser UI has converged on one layout that works, and Firefox has it. It’s really indistinguishable from chrome. |
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| ▲ | godelski 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm with you and honestly I think most people are. Frankly, I'm pretty certain that for 90% of users of you swapped chrome for Firefox, replacing the icons too, then people wouldn't notice. I'd wager 80% of HN users. It's such a petty argument when everything is so hackable and Google is eating the internet. I wish people would put half the energy they use to complain to solve the things they are upset about. | |
| ▲ | moolcool 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do not like the vertical tabs at all | | |
| ▲ | WD-42 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Good thing you don’t have to use them. | |
| ▲ | froobius 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Counterpoint: vertical tabs are way better | | |
| ▲ | koolba 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Vertical tabs are only better because there is more horizontally space on a as screen and listing things vertical allows you to both gauge the list size and keep a mental reference of what slot a tab was. And those tab headers don’t move because of resizing when the width fills up. But horizontal tabs are still better. Not technically better or ascetically better. Some other immeasurable, indescribable better. |
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| ▲ | godelski 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't like pickles. So what? No one is forcing me to eat them and no one is forcing you to use vertical tabs. They aren't even the default so wtf is the point of your comment? |
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| ▲ | dawnerd 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Have you seen the new Nova theme? It’s horrible, especially with vertical tabs. | | |
| ▲ | WD-42 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I took the screenshot with the nova theme enabled. That’s what it looks like. It’s a nothingburger. | | | |
| ▲ | fodkodrasz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Also with standard tabs. I mean it probably won't distub someone already conditioned by abhorrent MacOS design... but the lack of visual boundaries of tabs (independent controls), the terrible vertically uncentered close buttons, the whole thing is a visual Chernobyl meltdown... Mozilla working hard to kill Firefox. edit: just checked, and the most disgusting thing the extra internal horizontal top border of the text contents of the tab titles got removed. Still ugly, but nor instant Alt+F4... now I can bear it until I find about:config. |
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| ▲ | F3nd0 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Remember when Mozilla did a huge rebrand that introduced a new logo many people actually loved for its ingenuity, styling their name as moz://a? [1] And then, not very long after, they did another rebrand that resulted in… whatever they’ve got now? [2] Taking a step forward and then two steps back seems like a very Mozilla thing to do. [1] https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/arrival/
[2] https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/mozilla-brand-next-era-of-tech/
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| ▲ | NoboruWataya 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Here's the HN thread about the rebrand that "many people actually loved for its ingenuity" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13425380 There is some praise but it's mostly the same complaints that come up whenever Mozilla gets mentioned on HN, it's awful, I can't believe they've done this, millions wasted etc. |
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| ▲ | layer8 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Looking at the screenshots, I don’t have a problem with the aesthetics of the UI, but with how it’s wasting a lot of space. It feels like we could see more content on a small 4” smartphone screen 15 years ago: https://media.idownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/R... (and that already felt a bit wasteful back then, where a different layout could almost double the number of items visible at once) |
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| ▲ | maxloh 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You know what? We also have people complaining about the new Firefox UI redesign, which is exactly the whitespace-heavy style you found in Arc or Dia. |
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| ▲ | copperx 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > some browsers (Arc, Dia) are so gorgeous With all due respect, what a low bar for beauty! |
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| ▲ | edukite 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'll throw my nickel to this comment. I use swaywm with i3bar, you literally can go lower with that taste but I'm at least aware and honest with my taste. Dia looks like ChatGPT web client. It's mediocre at best |
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| ▲ | vallerie 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Zen is delightful to use, and based on Firefox. I just don't get what's going on at Mozilla. |
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| ▲ | godelski 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Most people don't like Zen (or Arc). Which is fine. I'm a big keyboard person so I love it, especially with the vimium plugin. But sometimes people get confused at my browser because they don't know how to navigate. Which is understandable What I like about Mozilla is they made a hackable browser so we can have things like Zen, WaterFox, or whatever floats your boat. |
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| ▲ | the8472 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They're tools. I expect BM 085232, not the Book of Kells. |
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| ▲ | yuhmahp 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| was wondering the same. Mozilla seems out of touch |
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| ▲ | hk1337 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't care for the Material Design, even when Google did/does it. |
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| ▲ | xyst 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| To parent commenter, "beautiful design" just means "AI powered browser". A quick glance at their product and its literally just a clone/fork of chrome/chromium with AI-pilled features. "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" holds true. |
