Good God, man. Google has the worst frontier lab rollout of them all. And they're delivering products that are behind the curve constantly.

Now, I happen to believe that's an excellent strategy. I bet they actually resolve more LLM requests than any other company at this point. The lay person still uses Google exclusively.

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nateb2022 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I pay Google a reasonable price for 5TB storage/backup across GMail/Docs/etc. Any AI they throw in with that is icing on top of the cake.

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freecodeio 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

just cancelled AI pro myself, since I exclusively used it for AI and also pay for youtube premium family it was becoming quite the monthly just for google

if they throw in youtube premium in that package then I might reconisder

	▲	julianz 20 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It includes one YT Premium license but not a family pack.
	▲	crossroadsguy 6 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Premium Lite is thrown in as well. I have AI Pro free for 18 months and I have checked the T&C docs.

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lanthissa 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

this is why antigravity is a doomed product at a pro level.

they gave away so much pro that they need to have smaller usage levels than competitors or they'll lose a ton of money. $20 was already a loss for users actually using their quota. the majority of pro users are paying far less than that.

so they'll lose their paying users, and keep their free or subsudized, which will make the economics even worse.

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hersko 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What plan is this? How much a month?

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paimapi 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Google One - Pro tier. I have it via Lenny's Product Pass which, imo, is a much better deal since it includes Cursor Pro, Granola, and like dozens of other paid sub tiers: https://www.lennysproductpass.com/

I use the hell out of both. Kind of sad that they took Spark out of beta-access, being able to orchestrate via your phone on something that has direct access to your Drive meant I was authoring skills and other functionality on a schedule with spreadsheets serving as databases, deterministic tests, etc.

Hope they roll it out to a full feature soon

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ASalazarMX 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Remembering the horror stories about lost Google accounts, I would be comfortable paying the next lower tier (100 GB) because I can backup everything myself, but not the 5TB plan, I'm sure I'll lose something if the account is lost. Hopefully these plans guarantee a human in the tech support loop.

	▲	paimapi 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yeah, very true. I need to set up a recurring backup-to-external-HD automation for it. It's vanishingly easy with the app and I don't doubt they're training on all the data itself.

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acmotifs 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Google AI pro in the USA, if you have Verizon wireless it’s $10 a month add on. Without Verizon it’s $20 a month I believe. You can also share most of the benefits with up to 5? People.

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dbuser99 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is this behind the curve? Seriously

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tireonfire 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Isn't OPUS much cheaper and generally regarded as more intelligent?

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verdverm 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Afaict, they are targeting difference user bases, Google being after their existing user base, having lost in the developer ecosystem to the two labs and open weight models.

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steego 8 hours ago | parent [-]

If you’re going to argue they’re targeting a different user base, then I think you should tell us who they’re targeting.

More specifically, who are they targeting with Argon and why is it behind the Ultra plan? Who is paying $99/month if not developers?

	▲	fschuett 7 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> Who is paying $99/month if not developers? Corporate companies. Bog-standard office workers don't need top-of-the-line Mythos intelligence, just something to add to Google Workspace. I personally doubt developers use Gemini for coding beyond marketing materials.
	▲	verdverm 5 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		The vast majority of Google's Ai users pay nothing and are not interested in paid plans (yet?), they remain the product. There is another subset in the Google Workspace for enterprise clients.
	▲	alephnerd 7 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Not OP but their Cyber model is decent and already used by Wiz (now a Google property) as well as Armadin.

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steego 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you suggesting it’s BETTER than their competitors?

Because if it’s not, and it’s not available to all paying users (Right now, it’s only available to Ultra users), then they are behind the curve if they’re treating it like Fable.

It’s tone deaf.

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epihelix 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

FWIW, it's available via API to everyone. (I just tested it out via OpenRouter).

Whether it's actually better than OAI/Anthropic offerings, probably not, but if Google has managed to get back to parity, that's good for competition, prices, and increased model performance in the future. Three strong western competitors is better than two.

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copperx 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's available to Pro users, but not through Antigravity.

	▲	steego 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I see it is now. I tried all the services 3 hours ago and the only interface to acknowledge its existence at the time was the API interface which told me to upgrade to Ultra.

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redox99 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I bet they actually resolve more LLM requests than any other company at this point. The lay person still uses Google exclusively.

Unique users, maybe. But a simple query that's answered in a paragraph is negligible compared to devs running agents continuously for tens of hours.

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freecodeio 7 hours ago | parent [-]

you underestimate the amount of people that use google relative to software engineers "running agents continuously for tens of hours"

	▲	redox99 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Maybe? But it's so many orders of magnitude apart. I can easily do 1B tokens a day (output tokens is probably like 3M?). When I see non technical people use that Google reply I'd be surprised if it's more than 1k output tokens, and with a tiny model. So a 3000x in output tokens, on a model at least 10x as expensive, I wouldn't be surprised if hardware usage is 30.000x for a dev that uses coding subs vs someone who uses the Google AI overview a couple of times a day. And that's not counting the absurd difference in cache reads.

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I_am_tiberius 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Moreover, you need a Google account in order to use it. I wouldn't bother paying 200 USD for it but I just don't want an entire google tracking package just for using one product.

	▲	w4yai 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		You can use an alt account. Or buy an old one for couple dollars, without security measures.

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sroussey 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah, Gemini 1.5 might be the most used (certainly by consumers) ai model. That is the one used by Google Search AI Answers.

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cubefox 8 hours ago | parent [-]

False. Last information was that Google Search uses Gemini 3 Flash-lite. Gemini 1.5 is totally outdated and used nowhere.

	▲	sroussey 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Oh, I didn't notice that they switched from 1.5 to 3 flash about six months ago. I know someone there and they talked about how 1.5 was hardened and it was a pain to do so on newer models that is wasn't worth it for a long time. But that convo was in the beginning of the year. I should have looked it up.