The point is that they don't have to pinky promise. It's as if you said yubikey pinky promises it won't share your private key.

I think it's actually a very good approach. Obviously depends on actual implementation details, but the premise is good.

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chirau 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

So what was the furore about when that Ring/Amazon superbowl ad happened. They have to promise and they should be able to be held liable if that promise is not kept.

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isodev 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Obviously depends on actual implementation details

So Apple can ship whatever update they want, doing whatever with no oversight or independent review. No thanks - you folks are forgetting the US a surveillance state.

A device with no physical switch for it's microphone and cameras worries me and it's just not worth whatever minor convenience this adds.

	▲	merely-unlikely 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> you folks are forgetting the US a surveillance state This is exactly why Apple emphasizes they lack the ability (keys) to decrypt your data stored on iCloud or in transit. US courts will demand it, and this way Apple can say it literally is unable to comply no matter what the court orders. You can certainly choose not to believe them, but at least they are making the legal argument in actual court cases. I don’t see the other big tech companies doing that.

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grishka 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Except if a device has a microphone and a network interface, it has the technical capability of sharing those recordings. The only realistic way to guarantee this sort of thing is to reverse engineer the entire chain between the two and then never install any software updates.

	▲	comboy 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Secure Enclave is not a new concept. > The only realistic way to guarantee this sort of thing is to reverse engineer the entire chain between the two and then never install any software updates. Reverse engineer the hardware and not change it, that's the whole point, it's not in the software, only queries after the keyword are passed forward (if I'm understanding correctly, gee I don't even like apple much, things I choose to spend my time on..)