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▲ thewonderfulmrp 8 hours ago

300$ yikes. I'm amazed. And this thing can't even do 120 fps. :-(

Did the old one also not have Dolby vision/HDR10/Atmos? What is this cinematic stuff? What are we missing here?

Why would I need CPU/GPU performance on an Apple TV? I'm genuinely confused. Is it to play video games? If I want to play video games, I can pay a bit more and get a used playstation I suppose. I genuinely don't understand this product anymore.

▲ttcbj 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

+1. I was waiting to buy this, but it doesn't really have anything I want over my existing apple tv (which I really like). I was going to add one for a second television, but its just too expensive. I will stick with the Roku there (which I really don't love, at this point, its slow and has lots of ads).

▲chrisfosterelli 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

HDR support on Apple TV is fairly hit or miss depending on the player you are using.

HDR10+ is supported in some players (infuse) but not others (plex) and will fallback to HDR10. Profile 7 DV files do not play properly on Apple TV period even though it will display the DV logo (though frankly very few devices can do this). Profile 5 and 8 DV files will play properly depending on the player and the content mapping level in the content (2.9 is well supported but 4.0 causes HDR10 fallback or black screens in some cases). Apple TV also doesn't support HD audio passthrough great.

▲SamuelAdams 6 hours ago | parent [-]

And now that the Nvidia Shield Pro is the same price, it makes the Apple TV an even tougher sell.

▲AshamedBadger56 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Does it? The Nvidia Shield Pro is 7+ years old at this point. I'd maybe agree if they released a new one, but that seems unlikely.

▲PcChip 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I thought nvidia stopped supporting or producing shields many years ago

▲jordand 3 hours ago | parent [-]

They're still getting the bare minimum of maintenance software updates. It's 2019-era tech that's long overdue a refresh.

▲criddell 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've used Steam Link to play games from my Steam library on the Apple TV using a video game controller and it worked surprisingly well. You still might want the Playstation (or Switch or XBox). Just depends on what games you want to play.

▲StumpChunkman 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Moonlight works really well on the ATV4K too. I stream 4K@60FPS with HDR and surround sound from my PC using the Apollo fork of Sunshine (creates a virtual display since I normally game at 1440p on my attached monitor).

▲SSLy 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I'm quite "technical" so to speak yet trying to properly set up HDR in Sunshine was rough.

▲StumpChunkman 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I think this is one of the things that the Apollo fork[1] makes way easier. I'm not sure that I had to do anything Apollo config wise* . I just went through the Windows HDR calibration tool the first time to tune it for my TV and it was good after.

*I do have a once-per-run Moonlight glitch that may even be because I'm on an older version. The first connection just doesn't pick up on the HDR immediately. I just have to reconnect once and it's good after that.

[1]: https://github.com/ClassicOldSong/Apollo ("Built-in Virtual Display with HDR support that matches the resolution/framerate config of your client automatically")

▲mikefrancesa an hour ago | parent [-]

They just updated the moonlight client which I’m sure you’re on should be more reliable and I highly recommend https://github.com/Nonary/Vibepollo fork of Apollo

▲protimewaster 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I found the input latency to be much worse than the PC connected to the same TV, for whatever reason.

I thought I surely was imagining it, so I revisited it 6 months or a year later, and, yes, the input latency from the controller is substantially worse on the Apple TV.

▲hbn 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It has a powerful CPU/GPU because those chips are what they have on hand and they can control the whole stack. It's likely cheaper for them to just shove their overpowered chips into things that don't need them than setup manufacturing for a net new lower power chip.

Their Studio Displays have an A19 in them too (A19 Pro for the XDR)

▲thejazzman 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m been wondering that same thing while developing tvOS app and testing across hardware. What does this new model offer the last 3 didn’t??

Eg Pixel Brite works great on all versions of AppleTV including FEL playback on 1st gen

The only thing I haven’t been able to do with the older models is upscaling content at the same fidelity levels. But the results are very subtle either way and not all that compelling IMO.

[0] https://pixelbrite.site

▲cellu 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It looks like it does? https://support.apple.com/en-gb/102339 and https://support.apple.com/en-us/102218

▲reacharavindh 7 hours ago | parent [-]

List is the same as the incumbent model :-( I was hoping for a lossless Atmos TrueHD pass through support.

▲alasano 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Right! I just remembered why I was still on my Nvidia Shield Pro, Apple TV 4K doesn't have the lossless pass through.

That's crazy

▲yesb 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It has lossless output i.e. PCM. It does not have the license needed to pass through proprietary Dolby formats other than DD/DD+