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| ▲ | throw0101c 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > But for some reason Sony or Samsung doing the same on your TV is too far? The content streamers get your viewing habits by virtue of you viewing their content (like Youtube, or any web site, getting information on what you're looking at by simply logging HTTP GET requests). There is no reason why television OEMs need to do screen captures and send them to the mothership. It's the first- and second-party interaction: you gave money to Sony/Samsung/etc for a product, and after the exchange there is no reason for any further interaction. You have a regular/monthly interaction with content providers: there is at least a valid reason for the content providers to have that information in the first place, and none for the TV OEMs to collect it. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | You can reason it all you want, but regardless of the product type the fact remains you are happy to give your data to one billion dollar company but not another. That is absolutely fine, but IMO it is hypocritical. That is all I am arguing. | | |
| ▲ | throw0101c 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > That is absolutely fine, but IMO it is hypocritical. That is all I am arguing. I am okay "giving my data" to the billion dollar company of (say) Netflix of Disney+ because I need to be able to log into the service and get the video streams. It is a necessary part of getting the service to provide (e.g.) billing information like a credit card. I am not okay with giving my data to the billion dollar company of Sony or Samsung because having a display take in HDMI bits and produce photons on a screen does not necessitate any phone home functionality. I am not okay with Netflix or Disney+ giving data to third parties because doing so is not necessary to provide the service. | |
| ▲ | Nevermark 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I don't want random people listening in on me, but I don't mind the person I choose to speak to listening to me. Does that qualify as hypocrisy too? You can argue against dealing with any billion dollar company. But drop the hypocrisy framing, it is nonsensical and your point will be stronger without it. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you think all the apps on your phone that you give permission to use the microphone are only using it when you choose to speak into it? You obviously havent read my posts very well. I have repeatedly said that the hypocrisy is subjective, my opinion only, and I am not trying to convince anyone otherwise. You are entitles to think whatever you want, trust whoever you want, and believe what ever you want. I am entitled to consider it hypocrisy if you are turning a blind eye to tracking from one side but happy allowing it from another. | | |
| ▲ | throw0101c 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Do you think all the apps on your phone that you give permission to use the microphone are only using it when you choose to speak into it? Given that my iPhone has a little LED that lights up when the the microphone (or camera) are active, it is fairly easy to confirm that that the mic is not being used. |
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| ▲ | afavour 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > as well as Apple who own the hardware and are feeding telemetry data into your ad profile on their system. Are they, though? Is Apple snooping into the Netflix app’s data to track what you’re watching and phone home with that info? Are there studies showing that happening? Are they selling that data to third parties like the TV manufacturers are? | | |
| ▲ | alt227 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | You seem to be missing a major point. You have signed up to streaming services and they are 100% selling your data and viewing habits to 3rd parties to build ad and tracking profiles. How come you are happy for Disney and Netflix to do this but not Samsung or Sony? As far is Apple is concerned, they have been caught lying about this many times before. I jujst cant get my head around why any person can trust a billion dollar corporation to be 'good'. Here have a few links: https://www.bgr.com/2107512/how-to-prevent-apple-tv-spying-a... https://gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-analytics-tracking-even-whe... https://linustechtips.com/topic/1467686-apple-caught-ignorin... https://medium.com/@michaelswengel/yes-your-mac-is-watching-... https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/11/12/apple-getting-sue... | | |
| ▲ | pc86 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's possible this is a distinction without a difference, but Disney and Netflix provide a service and the data they are selling is integral* to providing that service, meaning they're going to have that data regardless. If you're okay with anyone selling any of your data, it probably makes sense for Netflix to sell data about what you watch on Netflix. Samsung or Sony sell a physical product that does not need internet connectivity, or microphones, or telemetry, or any of that. They jam that stuff in there to increase profits and make it economically infeasible to sell what I think 80% of people on HN would buy if given the opportunity - a large flatscreen TV with no built-in connectivity whatsoever. So anything I can do to make me less profitable to them, I will do. * For certain definitions, anyway. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is obviously the line where we disagree, and thats fine. You are arguing that you are happy to give your data to a company if its integral to the service they provide. My opinion is that if you are giving your data to one billion dollar company that is building an ad profile and selling it to 3rd parties, then why have scruples about giving it to another? The ad companies are getting your data one way or another, cherry picking a single device on your home network to ringfence against that seems crazy in my opinion. | | |
| ▲ | piva00 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The issue is the kind of data, no? I also dislike that my data is being transacted willy-nilly by content providers, it's a very different ballpark when TVs have hidden microphones recording my house, screen capturing if I'm showing personal photos on the screen, and sending that data to the manufacturer. That's a much worse privacy invasion. | | |
| ▲ | alt227 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | This is the problem. You've read the headlines but havent examined the evidence. Go watch the Gamers Nexus documentary on it, and bring yourself up to speed on exactly what tracking the TVs are doing. |
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| ▲ | nozzlegear 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > But for some reason Sony or Samsung doing the same on your TV is too far? Yes. |
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