| ▲ | timpera 8 hours ago |
| > Apple HomeView is not available for sale in the European Union, as Siri AI is currently unavailable in iOS in the EU. Apple is working constructively with the EU in an attempt to find a path forward. It's interesting that they consider that this product would be unusable without Siri AI. I've used a Google Nest Hub for years, and I don't think it needs AI to be useful? |
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| ▲ | 10729287 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| They want the EU to be the bad guy that prevents citizens to get all the nice stuff they release. |
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| ▲ | walthamstow 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | When in fact EU iOS is the only one that is even semi usable | |
| ▲ | mahboi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | At least the EU killed Lightning, worst charger ever | | |
| ▲ | MattDamonSpace 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Apple was already shipping USB-C devices before the EU got involved Thank god the EU didn’t get it’s shit together before usb-c, the original proposal was to require microUSB lol | | |
| ▲ | mahboi 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | They were shipping USB-C MacBooks since 2016, plus the iPad Pro at some point. All those years they didn't bring it to iPhone, so I don't see any indication that they were going to do it, unless someone at Apple knows. Also tbh I would have preferred micro-usb over Lightning. Non-reversible, but it at least would've charged my phone reliably. |
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| ▲ | maxsilver 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, it's weird, the AI is the least interesting and least useful part of this product. Apple basically made a HomePod mini that is also a Skylight - https://myskylight.com/calendar - and it's even competitively priced. They could turn off all AI (turn off all of Siri even) and this would be one of the best products in the market. |
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| ▲ | joshstrange 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hmm, the first thing I thought when I saw the Skylight is "Can I run Home Assistant on this?" and it looks like the answer is: yes https://github.com/dinewby88/SkylightMaxCalendarADB | | |
| ▲ | vablings 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | HomeKit and HAOS also bridge quite well together so same applies here I guess just an apple front end | | |
| ▲ | joshstrange 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | HA's bridge to HomeKit is decent, but the Home app is miserable to use and flakey. It seems a strong breeze will break everything and re-setting-up 100+ devices is not something I enjoy doing. |
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| ▲ | jawilson2 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Interesting, the calendar2 has a header that says "Designed to Delight", and the new apple page says "Delight Up the House". That CAN'T be a coincidence... |
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| ▲ | joshstrange 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The rumor is that this has been ready for 1-2 years and was waiting on "good Siri" before they would/could release it. So it follows that if they aren't releasing "good Siri" in the EU that this device wouldn't be available. |
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| ▲ | 233mhz 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > It's interesting that they consider that this product would be unusable without Siri AI. They might be perfectly useable but not profitable enough |
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| ▲ | fosron 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| i would love a dashboard for my smart home, but even as a fanboy of Apple i feel like HomeView doesnt do much, i'll just buy an eink screen, attach a esp32 of sorts and have it the way i want it without additional mics and shit |
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| ▲ | artisinal 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The Google Nest Hub is legal in the EU because you can install whatever AI agent you want on it. https://support.google.com/googlehome/thread/467705013/intro... |
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| ▲ | lxgr 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Really? I have one, but I'm not aware of a way to swap out Google Home/Gemini for anything else. |
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| ▲ | WesolyKubeczek 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This means it’s plainly unusable. |
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| ▲ | r0fl 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Maybe Apple just doesn't care to put up with the silly EU rules. |
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| ▲ | poisonborz 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which of the rules specifically do you find silly? | | |
| ▲ | xbar 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Chat Control and backdoors. | | | |
| ▲ | maxhille 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wonder if there will be proper answers - looks like some Yandex centers still chew out anti-EU propaganda... | |
| ▲ | r0fl 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Specifically, Article 6(7) of the EU's Digital Markets Act, which forces Apple to give competing companies access to the same hardware and software capabilities it uses itself. The EU's interpretation means Apple must provide third-party AI assistants with access comparable to Siri's, potentially including the ability to interact with messages, files, purchases and other apps. Apple proposed a secure intermediary called Trusted System Agent and an 18-month implementation plan. The European Commission rejected those proposals. |
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