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▲ mhh__ 3 hours ago

These guys are all going to end up in prison at this rate. Dems are currently predicted to win next election no?

▲baggachipz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe a mid-level scapegoat or two will go to prison. Definitely not the ones at the top. God bless America

▲pm90 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Depends on who actually gets elected. A centrist candidate like Buttigeg/Ossoff/Harris/Newsom would almost certainly lead to no prosecutions. Someone with actual convictions like AOC or Ro Khanna might.

▲RobRivera an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I will laugh and then cry if the left puts up a candidate that is (again) alienating of the working class.

Enough of the voter base will cut the nose to spite the face

▲beambot 28 minutes ago | parent [-]

Which candidate(s) would that be... and why?

▲estearum 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ossoff does not really seem like a centrist on this point. He's pretty vicious about the whole Trump criminal organization.

▲pm90 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Fair. Although he seems to mostly target Trump, rather than the conditions that gave rise to Trumpism. Unless someone addresses that we’re stuck in a vicious cycle…

▲estearum an hour ago | parent [-]

He's even better than you thought, then. Here's a post from a week ago (and a common refrain in his writing and speaking):

"I get why people voted for him. Because even before he came on the scene, American politics was coin-operated.

Money goes in, favors come out. It’s been running on corporate money, secret money, billionaire money. Both sides.

And when members of Congress aren’t fundraising from lobbyists and corporate PACs, they’re trying to dodge getting bombed by these super PACs.

Spectacular wealth buys an ever greater share of power over our national affairs. And this corruption is why nothing works for ordinary people."

▲horns4lyfe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲boston_clone 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Shallow dismissals and low-effort responses are not in the spirit of this site; please try to better substantiate your ideas.

▲bdcravens 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Probably not, if the previous administration, when they had full control, is useful precedent.

▲baq 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Oh absolutely not. They’re going to end up very rich!

▲FrustratedMonky 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If prison was an option, it would have already happened. They will get away with it. Dems aren't going to be able to break this administration. They will just ignore congress. What will congress do?

▲Buttons840 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We might get someone like Obama again who "looks forward and not backwards"... a logic that would result in all crimes being ignored if consistently applied.

▲Zigurd 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

A big part of why we are at where we are is that January 6 was our Beer Hall Putsch. Like the Germans, we failed to put a stop to it.

▲ethagnawl 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There have already been rumors of some administration-wide pardon scheme but that'll probably fall on its face when put to the test, like almost everything else they do.

It's baffling to watch people destroy their reputations, careers and possibly risk their freedom for a chance to get close to power and pad their (possibly offshore/crypto) savings accounts. For as evolved as we pretend to be, we're really not very far beyond our "lizard brains" and a few missed meals away from mania. I was actually just thinking about Todd Blanche and the stupid games he's playing, flirting with contempt in a number of lawsuits. He's almost certainly got less time in the AG seat than Trump has in the president's and reality is going to slam into his brown nose very hard, sooner than later.

▲Zigurd 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

There are enough state level charges to be laid against these people that federal pardons can be made in effective. The JDs among them can also lose their licenses.

▲dboreham an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wondered about this so checked what happened to Joseph McCarthy. He was subject to a vote of censure in the senate, and became unpopular, but that was it. Of course he died shortly after of alcohol related conditions, so there's that..

▲ceejayoz an hour ago | parent [-]

Or, like, Nixon.

The relative lack of consequences there enabled this go around.

▲GolfPopper 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Nixon resigned, and was pardoned. Many of the conspirators were convicted and served prison time.

With Reagan and Iran-Contra, Reagan was never charged, most officials were pardoned, and only one person served any jail time.

With Bush (43) there were no consequences for any of it. Not he war under false pretenses, not the domestic spying, not the torture.

And with Donald Trump (45) a single judge recently appointed by Donald Trump held up legal proceedings until he was elected President, again.

▲ceejayoz 14 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Nixon resigned, and was pardoned.

Yes. That's deeply bad precedent.

Roger Ailes founded Fox News, explicitly, to avoid a recurrence of even that minimal level of consequence.

▲specproc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

So the election will be meaningless. Expect bad things in November.

▲shrubble 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The CFTC’s refusal to do anything useful serves both parties.

▲wat10000 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What makes you think the Democrats are going to do anything? They had multiple slam-dunk cases against Trump during the previous administration and they either did nothing at all, or slow-rolled the investigations and then gave them up when election season rolled around again.

▲pjc50 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You might want to have a look at what happened to Iran-Contra. Or indeed, the current President's conviction in a New York court: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_trial_of_Donald_Trump...

They're simply in the oligarch level now. Everyone understands that they're above the law. Nowhere near enough Democrats are talking about the level of corruption clearout that would be required to bring accountability. Law enforcement are heavily compromised in the opposite direction. See the raid on Ilhan Omar, for example.

▲euroderf an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Techno-feudalism has many practical applications that benefit techno-royals.

▲GolfPopper 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

Techo-nobles benefit as well. Just ask Eric Holder and centi-millionaire Obama. If you can reach the latter in his mansion on the exclusive island for the wealthy, that is.

▲gadders an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>>See the raid on Ilhan Omar, for example.

I don't think congresspeople should be above the law. If she committed immigration fraud she should be convicted and deported.

▲ChaseMeAway an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Ofc congresspeople should not be immune, but she is being investigated for the possibility that a relative who brought her to the US when she was a child (15) lied on her immigration paperwork.

It’s not clear to me how she’d be responsible for that and it’s also not clear to me what evidence they expected to turn up related to such an offense by raiding her home decades after the offense was alleged to have occurred.

▲Zigurd 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Now do Elon

▲BoggleOhYeah an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree. But it’s pretty apparent that this is a case of political targeting. Elon and Melania Trump likely committed some level of immigration fraud as well.

▲cowlevel 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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▲benregenspan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Articles like this make a pretty good case against "only slightly less corrupt than this", the difference in scale really is extreme: https://reason.com/2026/07/09/the-most-corrupt-presidency-in...

▲dash2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I never saw anything remotely close to the Trump 2 level of corruption in any previous administration, Democrat or Republican.

▲GolfPopper 13 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Trump has certainly taken corruption and malfeasance to new levels of blatancy, but Obama's AG Eric Holder declining to prosecute the banks his firm used to represent, escaping punishment for Contempt of Congress because his own DoJ declined to prosecute him (on a different matter), and then returning to that same firm is part of how we got to where we are now.

▲horns4lyfe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲specproc 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Everybody pisses in the pool, not everybody pisses from the diving board.

▲actionfromafar 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Pisses in the drinks.

▲ourmandave 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It really is mind boggling to watch a months long committee investigation of Jan 6th and then Merrick Garland just nopes out.

▲Zigurd 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Purge FedSoc

▲estearum 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think (hope) that the next generation of Dem leadership saw the error in that and will come out guns blazing.

If the remaining MAGA cultists want to take to the street and die for their godking then so be it. The criminals must be punished.

▲sandworm101 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> only slightly less corrupt than this

The values do not bare comparison. Lookup the whitewater controversy (Clintons, 1990s). The loans in that fiasco were in the low hundreds of thousands of dollars. Trump just earned over 2,400,000,000$ in one year as president. One man. One year. And only the money he felt the need to report. There is simply no meaningful comparison to any previous corruption scandals. Nothing touches the numbers 10-digit gain numbers spiraling around the current administration.

I am not sure the old pardon system will function here. The second half of that system involved the pardoned people slipping into a quiet retirement. The extended Trump clan is not going to go quietly.

▲llm_nerd 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> Most of them are only slightly less corrupt than this, and definitely not enough to actively punish corruption.

This feels like one of those "and that's why I blame the Democrats for everything Trump does, so I guess I have to vote for Trump's enablers" bit of horseshit, fwiw.

Both parties are completely in the pocket of special interests (billionaires, Israel, among others), however on the corruption file the GOP has an absolute monopoly. The corruption in the modern Republican party is simply off the charts. And this presidency has turned the corruption to the max, in the open. Every criminal knows that if you think you're going to get caught, the first thing to do is profess your love of Trump and declare yourself a Republican, and in a moment your crimes will be exonerated and it will all be called "lawfare".

> Most times they just say "let's move on" and grant a pardon.

The Democrats have constantly tried to be the "high road" party. The law and order, let the process run out party. The "let's make bridges and not walls" party. The Republicans have completely taken advantage of it. If they take power -- which I think there is going to be a "Surprise" by this criminal fascist -- they need to go absolutely scorched Earth. And screw slow walking with some Merrick Garland type of snail, speed-run sending every Trump and enabler to jail. Hegseth needs to spend his remaining days rotting in a dungeon.

I mean, Trump still sincerely calls Democrats "divisive". From the guy who gets his chuckling audience of halfwits to cheer on blowing up American cities, and who constantly attacks and disparages "blue states" and their residents.

I cannot for the life of me understand how Americans in the better states aren't talking about secession. You simply must send some of the ignorant, garbage states packing.

And seriously, the "both parties are the same" trope is so transparent now. It's a coping mechanism that terrible people use to try to justify why they're how they are.

▲Sharlin 2 hours ago | parent [-]

"Guess what, we don’t want you back in the Union after all, good riddance"

▲chii 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲cowlevel 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the democrats are definitely less corrupt but still extremely corrupt. It's just that the current administration is so vastly, mindbogglingly corrupt it blows all previous meanings of "extremely corrupt" out of the water. It's like comparing the memory safety of C++ to the memory safety of hexadecimal machine code: Yeah C++ isn't particularly safe but when you compare it to flipping bits with tweezers and a steady hand, it's miraculous.

▲el_blargos 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah but its unpay strike we're taking. Not sure a US worker can afford that.

And... Its popular. When I go to a protest in the US I'm coming home sad.

▲cowlevel 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You are shadowbanned

▲esseph an hour ago | parent [-]

doesn't look that way here

▲deadbabe an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Democrats are corrupt as fuck too, don’t be fooled.

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