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▲ _puk 5 hours ago

The obvious fork is "can frontier models stack a dishwasher to my wife's exacting standards".

I can't. So that would surely be proof of AGI.

▲mrweasel 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"In every partnership, there is a person who stacks the dishwasher like a Scandinavian architect and a person who stacks the dishwasher like a raccoon on meth." - Someone online.

At home I'm the architect, my wife's the raccoon. I don't actually believe that you can stack the dishwasher wrong as such, but you can make it hard for yourself to unload, if you don't sort the items correctly.

▲dekhn 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In my dishwasher (some bosch almost identical to the model in the simulation), if you put plastic storage containers upside down on the bottom rack, the force of the jets flip them over and they fill up and don't get clean. They also end up using more water (I think?) because there is water trapped in the dishwasher at the end of the cycle, and things don't dry. Also, if you put large things in particular places they prevent the jet arms from rotating.

Dishwasher physics matter. But I would never criticize a person in my family for loading the dishwasher the "wrong" way; I just sneak in and reorganize when nobody's looking.

▲wffurr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>> just sneak in and reorganize when nobody's looking.

This is the way. I am just happy when someone else, anyone else, actually puts dishes in the dishwasher.

▲publlus_enigma 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The question becomes: is it faster to sort during packing, or to sort during unpacking?

▲fxwin 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't actually believe that you can stack the dishwasher wrong as such

There are definitely more and less correct ways, but personally i think it's "wrong" to load it in a way that leaves the arms blocked or (not) tilt pieces that get excessive water pooling on top

▲viceconsole an hour ago | parent [-]

My favorite wrong way is when someone completely covers a small item (ramekin, espresso cup) with a larger item (bowl, food storage container).

▲vforgione 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but you can make it hard for yourself to unload if you don’t sort the items correctly.

I learned a long time ago that the ability to recognize and exploit a structured system is the most emotionally satisfying thing in the world.

▲freecodeio 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

shouldn't stacking like a raccoon on meth be the most optimal way though? since if they're too well stacked you risk water being unable to enter tight places

▲DougN7 an hour ago | parent [-]

The stacking regime is meant to maximize water flow and surface exposure to water jets, at least when optimized.

▲embedding-shape 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> I don't actually believe that you can stack the dishwasher wrong as such

You most definitely can, they're not magic! The water must hit the right spots and obviously stacking three plates without any space between leads to stuff not getting properly cleaned.

If you try to teach a kid to put the dishwasher you'll learn a ton of wrong ways of doing it! :)

▲notrealyme123 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think putting cups with the opening facing upward is very close to "technically correct, but very wrong"

▲jojogeo 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Never have truer words been spoken, I too score poorly on DishwasherBench wife mode. Drives her up the wall.

▲teekert 5 hours ago | parent [-]

At our place it's opposite, I guess when you do it often enough you get a preferred method though a relentless optimization loop, which in the end ensures it's all clean, the plates are well separated only in 1 particular order, the glasses are placed to the left so all small pans fit at the right, deep plates are placed half over cutlery rack so they are supported and more fit in, small plates in front so all lids fit before them... etc etc etc.

▲stoneman24 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yep, I have a more optimised model of stacking than my wife’s ideas. This has lead to “discussions” (still at a friendly level) and the dish washer being placed in my list of responsibilities.

I think optimal configuration is very much a NP complete problem.

▲lambdaone 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Just because a problem is NP-complete doesn't mean it's infeasible to produce "good enough" approximate solutions. The traveling salesman problem is a great example of this.

▲stoneman24 an hour ago | parent [-]

Apologies, my OCD was showing.

It’s an interesting problem to pack the dishwasher with as many objects as possible and maintain the highest level of cleanliness. Sometimes, there’s an small thing leftover so then repack in a different configuration.

▲mvdwoord 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Try explaining this to a raccoon.. on meth.

I did, once ;)

▲ce4 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're already loading it perfectly according to The Oatmeal :-D

https://theoatmeal.com/comics/dishwasher

▲AlecSchueler 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are our wives' standards impossible to reach or are our husbands weaponising incompetence?