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▲ drewbitt 7 hours ago

2 years in, the founders and 30 researchers took Google's $2.7b and left. Then they had to ban kids which was probably most of their userbase. Yet they were still putting $1m/mo on the corporate cards with 86 full time bay area employees on ~$278k average base, and almost $100k owed to DoorDash. lol

▲renegade-otter 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Sometimes watching the fresh-faced punks make bank while I slave away at a "regular" company for average pay is just demoralizing. It's really about being at the right place, time, and near the right people, isn't it.

▲swiftcoder 8 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> It's really about being at the right place, time, and near the right people, isn't it

It's also about having the right moral flexibility. To be in this particular club, you have to hang out with some people that a bunch of us would really rather not be associated with...

▲pmarreck 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They were clearly in it for the investor perks and not the product, spending away like that.

If you want an unsustainable joyride, then you too can work for a startup headed for chapter 11 (like 8 out of 10 startups).

Also, knowing people in general has never not been valuable. It's arguably the main thing holding most engineers back from success. Plenty of evidence backs this up: Type fewer keys, press more palms.

▲renegade-otter an hour ago | parent [-]

A lot of that depends on how you do with the birth lottery. The path from Westchester to Stanford is a little easier than from a homeless shelter (that was MY life).

▲TrackerFF an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The people making bank are those creating these startups.

Their startups get acquired, or they get acqui-hired because of the founders and core people, who in turn have some pedigree which send strong signals.

If you look at the pattern, it is roughly:

- Top ML/AI researchers from the past 10-15 years - Top ML/AI engineers from top labs or companies

Those above people were hired by FAANG companies or AI startups.

But most important of all, it isn't a overnight success. Many of these have been going at it for 10+ years now. Of course some are relatively young, as in having joined Anthropic or OpenAI more recently (past few years), and launching their own startup after 2022.

▲LogicFailsMe an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, yes, yes...

This is the way tech has always been. Or as Carlin said "It's a big club... And you ain't in it."

Occasionally, you can ride their coattails (there will always be rising tides), but if you don't have the right connections and the right degrees from the right universities, you're not invited to the box seat TLA titles of these things...

The odds are much better than state lotteries, and the payout is higher than the stock market, but most of us still need to do our own financial planning instead of socializing the risks of the founder class as they privatize the gains. And yet, each day I get these ludicrous emails from a16z about which startups started by which all star founders wants to hire me for less than I make from passive revenue these days for bread crumbs of equity.

But the thing here is, who needs character.ai in an age of local models and cheap tokens from OpenAI and Anthropic (unless you're very naughty and not shaming, just noting)? High margin role play disrupted by cheap open weight models: how very Clayton Christensen.

▲logicchains 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Joining or starting a startup is a risk, many fail and leave the founders and early joiners with nothing. No risk, no reward.

▲jubilanti 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Nothing except the $278k average base salary, while living luxuriously at work and probably home too on the startup's expense card, as the $100k door dash bill shows. I bet there were a ton of fancy off sites in Hawaii or wherever.

Meanwhile at $bigco I just got my request to buy a shitty $1k Dell laptop denied because I got one 2 years ago and I have to wait 1 more.

▲hirako2000 an hour ago | parent [-]

I remember the laptop renewal also was 3 years. Which would have been fine if they didn't have that policy to issue Dell Latitude, end of the barrel hardware Dell itself couldn't sell.

One day I figured nobody forces me to work for such company.

▲inSumErgoCogito 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Its all about hacking companies and VCs - instead of hacking hard problems. Astra- give me the API of my society.. what do you mean Bearer Token..

▲deadbabe an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You also have to be a total scumbag.

▲kstrauser 41 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Bullshit. I met a lot of my favorite people in the world working in startups, people I want to stay in contact with for life because they’re good and I enjoy being around them.

There are bad and good people everywhere. I’ve seen new fewer good people at small companies than large or non-tech ones.

▲pelagicAustral an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd argue that most people would easily pivot to "total scumbag" for 250k+ salary. Me included.

▲swiftcoder 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

The thing is, if you were already in the crowd that gets offers to work at this sort of startup, you could be drawing the same 250k+ to work a normal 9-5 at a FAANG-adjacent

Signing on to a hookers-and-blow startup is a choice a lot of these folks made, not their only route to money

▲judetechdevs 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

$100k in DoorDash is a lifestyle