| ▲ | codedokode 8 hours ago |
| What genius decided to connect a fridge to the Internet? Make him pay the losses. By the way similar thing might happen to geniuses buying Internet-connected cars. |
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| ▲ | michaelt 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Here in the UK, there's a £500 subsidy for home EV charge points... but only if they're connected to the internet. What could possibly go wrong? |
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| ▲ | lukan 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | "What could possibly go wrong?" The grid could stabilize as a side effect. And the cars are already connected to the internet. |
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| ▲ | vincnetas 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| people who like saving money decided to do this. For simple monitoring purposes. When you have thousands of fridges you want to know how their doing and you don't want to sent a person to inspect each one of them. |
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| ▲ | codedokode 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You could connect to an on-premise server. As a bonus, the manufacturer cannot disable them and extort money in this case. | | |
| ▲ | esikich 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | They most likely are. Third party techs then access them over Citrix or VPN/RDP. There could be some cloud portion that aggregates data or pushes policies and schedules as well. | |
| ▲ | fusslo 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If the only usecase is monitoring, then why make the fridges anything else but report-only? No firmware updates. no admin configuration. no ssh backdoors. just a transmit-only system | | |
| ▲ | luckydata 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | because the report code might have bugs | | |
| ▲ | AlotOfReading 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | If it were transmit only, you could put it behind a data diode and buggy report code wouldn't matter. Even better, validating the code is a lot easier if it doesn't accept attacker input. |
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| ▲ | dietr1ch 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Monitoring requires one-way announcements, not bi-directional connections |
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| ▲ | SapporoChris 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It sounds like you are victim blaming. I apologize in advance if I interpreted you incorrectly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victim_blaming |
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| ▲ | chrisjj 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > t sounds like you are victim blaming. It sounds like you think victims are necessarily blameless. | |
| ▲ | pessimizer 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes, I always find it very useful to condemn the mosquitoes when someone is bitten. If they aren't heartily condemned, they will be legitimized and emboldened. The evil victim blamers say "why was she wearing that short skirt?" They don't realize that the mosquitoes are sexist, and that we can and should eliminate all of the mosquitoes so she can wear what she wants. | | |
| ▲ | yorwba 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | We can and should eliminate all of the mosquitoes. Especially the female ones. | | |
| ▲ | lukan 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | No, we should not. Only those who bite humans and carry disease. (The vast majority does not) | | |
| ▲ | codedokode an hour ago | parent [-] | | Mosquitoes are not needed in the city. They can fly as much as they want in national parks. |
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| ▲ | pessimizer 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Until we do, I'm going to continue to blame you for being bitten. |
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| ▲ | dualvariable 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Gallipolli, 1915: "Hey, maybe we shouldn't send men over the top only to die in a barrage of machine gun fire..." "That's just victim blaming--it isn't our behavior that needs to change; it is the enemy's behavior that needs to change." Victim-blaming is another term that is apparently becoming a meaningless vibe. |
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| ▲ | encom 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Please find me a new car that isn't Internet-connected, genius. You're assuming consumers have a meaningful alternative. |
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| ▲ | codedokode an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Russian car mechanics know how to "unlock" Chinese cars that operate only within China and require a Chinese SIM card (they are sold locally at lower prices, so some people find it cheaper to buy a car in China and unlock it). Finding and disabling modems is definitely an easier task and can be done. | |
| ▲ | mahboi 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Turns out it's mandated by law in the EU too | | |
| ▲ | codedokode an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Do they check modem presence regularly or you can rip the modem and show a middle finger to surveillance state? | | |
| ▲ | mahboi a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | This came up on HN somewhere, and the answer was that insurance will decline claims if the modem wasn't in at the time of a crash, so it's kinda risky not to have it. That and you fail inspection, but that's of course easier to work around. |
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| ▲ | PorciiVorbesc 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Wait till they'll mandate other things done to you via your car via the internet. ALl in the name of protecting you and the kids of course. | | |
| ▲ | codedokode an hour ago | parent [-] | | They will. First step, the government creates the mechanism, second step, adjusts the rules. |
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| ▲ | asdff 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Easy, go to the used lot and get one of the remaining actual cars before they become collectible antiques. | | |
| ▲ | doubled112 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Buying a car is the easy part. In my experience, new cars have new car problems, but old cars have old car problems. There’s no clear winner in every metric, just trade offs. | | |
| ▲ | asdff 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The lesson is, always expect to be paying to maintain your vehicle. |
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| ▲ | NetMageSCW 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Slate says “any minute now!” |
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| ▲ | ronnier 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Offtopic: I only see "genius" used these days to describe an idiot. I guess this is how words change meaning over time. At some point in the future being called a "genius" will always be seen as pejorative. |
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| ▲ | dylan604 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't think the definition is changing at all. To me, we've just lost the ability to comprehend sarcasm. | |
| ▲ | crossroadsguy 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That's because calling an idiot an idiot plainly is apparently considered uncouth and attracts downvotes, flags and downvotes often mean oblivion. In fact you will find do-gooders chome in with "be civil" but you flip the word and it's all kosher. The thing is all of us do and say idiotic things. So that makes a bit tricky indeed. > in the future being called a "genius" will always be seen as pejorative. If you are not a genius and someone calls you a genius, well, for you the future is already here, genius! (Shit I didn't really mean that :P) | |
| ▲ | codedokode 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There should be a name for this style of speech, using "good" to mean "bad". | | |
| ▲ | saimiam 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Irony? Camp? “genius is a camp - so good that it’s bad”. “In the sentence ‘this is the sh1t’, ‘sh1t’ is camp - so bad that it is good”. | |
| ▲ | xioxox 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Semantic inversion or contronym | |
| ▲ | akoboldfrying 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sarcasm | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | There’s a lot of this in African-American vernacular. I’m not exactly sure what a “bad bitch” means but I believe it means attractive whore, but does it or does it just mean a good woman? Either way that’s two traditionally negative terms that seem to be used positively. |
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| ▲ | fusslo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | just like 'Nimrod' becoming an insult | | | |
| ▲ | saimiam 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Genius take! |
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