> I guess let's just ignore the evidence, then.

There isn't any evidence. It's pretty much all anecdotal. I can only speak from my experience.

> People only say this about things that they want. Ignoring the consequences of one's actions is not a neutral position. Societies are perfectly capable of banning things (yeah, you can probably sneak a local model through a hypothetical law, but it would end the industrial scale problems).

We're not going to ban these models, though. Which means we have to figure out how best to live with them.