I'm confused.. are you suggesting that Claude Code / Codex don't work? Because if you're still saying that in October 2026, it's a you problem. You're doing something wrong.

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mccoyb an hour ago | parent | next [-]

No, I’m talking about the recent DevDay.

Also, yes there are still bugs in Claude Code. I experience them nearly everyday.

It is markedly better than early days, but still not the best harness.

The best software written with agents seems to come from people outside of the labs (see pi, for instance — or all of cloudflare’s recent work)

Which makes me question either the model, or the holders …

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nullpoint420 an hour ago | parent [-]

Cloudflare is where you lost me. I don't know anyone actually using them other than for their proxy, DNS servers, or DDOS protection.

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mccoyb an hour ago | parent [-]

See, for instance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49182996 by Kenton Varda

Also, not mentioned in my post:

- Mitchell Hashimoto

- Prime Intellect (and all their agent experiments)

- Geoff Huntley (see Jiti, for instance)

(many more)

There's a ton of interesting software being developed with these models by people outside the in group, but I find most of the software from these big guys to be ... bland. Buggy copies of copies.

	▲	nullpoint420 an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I don't see the Cloudflare stuff as groundbreaking, let alone people building companies around it. "Workers" are the wrong primitive, IMO. What if my code isn't in Javascript? They sandboxed the wrong part of the machine. I have a version of "Cloudflare OS" running in production, using Temporal as the orchestration and MicroVMs for the sandboxing. Sorry, I get your point but personally I don't get the hype around them.

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lillesvin 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't use either myself but I'm in a position where I get to see what it produces for other people. Here's a recent (2-3 months old) example: A zsh script that immediately invoked a Python interpreter that immediately invoked a shell command and iterated over each line of output looking for one of a few strings to match... So, `<cmd> | grep "(stringA|stringB|stringC)"`, but a whole lot dumber.

Thanks, but no thanks, I don't need that kind of code in anything I'm working with.

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well_ackshually an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Claude Code still doesn't have a working scroll back buffer in their new renderer, it regularly flips its shit and mixes different pieces of history.

Claude Code still can't get reasonable performance without writing a "game renderer" (that doesn't work)

Claude Code is still written in JavaScript, eating hundreds of megabytes to make a shitty TUI whose literal sole role is to send API calls.

Claude Code is software made by amateurs.

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plorkyeran an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Claude code is an incredibly buggy mess. I have never used any other TUI that regularly has rendering errors or that is anywhere as laggy as Claude.