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▲ haunter 5 hours ago

>Recently, Contributor 0xCAFEBABE introduced a very different kind of generic target that can be run on various types of bare-metal hardware devices.

>While it’s still in experimental state, it has successfully booted on:

>Common x86_64 PCs

>Apple Silicon Macs

>NVIDIA DGX Spark

>Qualcomm Snapdragon X Series Laptops

That actually sounds awesome! Refurbishing old laptops with Android would be a nice choice alongside with Desktop Linux.

▲zx8080 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why would someone want android with crappy apps comparing to linux on the old laptop?

▲deng an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Would be interesting for x86-based tablets/convertibles, like for instance an old Lenovo X1. I tried using these with Linux with various different distributions, including PostmarketOS, and it was not a good experience.

▲ale42 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Running apps that require a phone and are not available for Linux, without putting them on your actual smartphone (if any)

▲amlib an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I bet soon most of the apps you can only get on a smartphones are gonna require some kind of attestation that is unlikely to be given to your laptop running an "unsanctioned" version of android.

Though it might have some use if you at least can run linux userland inside android, including a whole desktop session, without any performance degradation.

▲bluebarbet an hour ago | parent [-]

>I bet soon

With this attitude it's almost inevitable. Politics can stop the corporate-OS attestation apocalypse. If it happens, it's on us.

▲hollerith 30 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Opposing remote attestation in full generality is the wrong place to draw the line IMHO. Too many useful capabilities rely on attestation.

For example, would you really want to live in a world in which photographs are no longer considered evidence of anything because any photo might be AI generated? When a citizen standing on his apartment's balcony used his camcorder to record police beating Rodney King in 1991, it started a national movement against police brutality. So, you're OK with a world where there can be no national conversation sparked by any recording because as far as anyone knows, the recording could've been faked by AI? Remote attestation by the camera is the only way I have been able to think of to avoid that world.

For another example, banking and finance started relying on attestation in 1997 with the availability of the IBM 4758 PCI Cryptographic Coprocessor and have come to rely heavily on it.

▲catlikesshrimp 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It is difficult to push back agaisnt banks. My bank started charging for some in site transactions and even some help desk. "We are migrating to online banking"

▲satvikpendem 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are ways to run Android on Linux much more easily than running Linux on Android.

▲stasomatic an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Games is one use case. I play the iOS version of Balatro on my Mac.

▲hollerith 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More secure.

▲fph 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Much better security. Sandboxing and app isolation actually works on Android.

▲ggm 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Familiarity

App consistency

Upstream app availability and release cycle

Security.

▲silisili 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That sounds suspiciously like jart...

▲arcanemachiner an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It does sound rather... cosmopolitan.

▲phh 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd say quite the opposite. jart has been very focused on specific things. While the contribution mentioned looks more butterflying amongst target.

(@0xcafebabe: ADHD high-five, I've got almost the same target list, except I'm playing with their NPUs)

▲chronogram 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Looks really promising. Once hardware codecs and camera support arrives it might be useful for old laptops. https://github.com/LineageOS/android_device_mainline_generic...