| ▲ | RobotToaster 5 hours ago |
| I imagine those countries have sane energy prices compared to Western Europe. |
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| ▲ | DoctorOetker 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Regardless if the market allows consumers access to negative solar prices or not, consumers can attach solar panels to their servers (independent of the grid), so the LLM is there when the sun is shining. |
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| ▲ | gib444 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Me too. EU average is just under 29c/kWh (non-contract price) [0] In the UK I got 27.5c/kWh (+ 58c/day fixed charge) on an 18-month contract a month ago [0] https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php... |
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| ▲ | snazz 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | That is expensive. If it makes you feel better, U.S. utilities' published kWh rates don't include a whole bunch of other things that make bills much higher than you'd imagine. For example, I used 280 kWh last month for my apartment, at a nominal rate of either 11 or 13 c/kWh (the rate changed from 13 to 11 partway through the month as it got cooler). But after all the "sales true ups" and "affordability charges" and "resource adjustments" and "fuel cost charges" and "interim rate adjustments", not to mention the city fees and sales tax, the final bill divided by my usage gave me an effective rate of 23 c/kWh. | |
| ▲ | Hamuko 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | My thought was that the EU average can't be that high, but apparently Finland is just the outlier here. | |
| ▲ | b112 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think in Quebec they've been paying me to use power. | | |
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| ▲ | cinntaile 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Energy is a commodity so the price will be very similar for the same goods. What they tack on as taxes might be different. |
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| ▲ | stefanfisk 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Energy means electricity in this case, and the EU prices are about 2-3x those paid in China AFAIK, for both residential and commercial. | | |
| ▲ | doikor 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | EU is big and prices vary. (Transfer capacity is limited) Afaik electricity is around 7c/kWh in China. I got 8c/kWh 2y contract a couple weeks ago here in Finland. Though have to add 4c/kWh for transfer to that (no clue if the Chinese prices I could find include that). Commercial prices are less then that (no VAT and possibly lower power tax bracket. The 8c includes all taxes/fees) | | |
| ▲ | stefanfisk 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The cheapest price in Europe at best equaling the average price in China sounds like it just proves my point? |
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| ▲ | mitxela 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Electricity cannot be shipped from one place to another in bulk quantities. | | |
| ▲ | RunSet 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | And data can be. Which is why I suspect most nominal "data centers" are fronts for crypto mining, an activity that seeks out the cheapest energy. |
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