| ▲ | Secret of Orange Cats Revealed After 60-Year Search(sciencealert.com) |
| 129 points by bookofjoe 2 days ago | 104 comments |
| |
|
| ▲ | dayyan 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] |
| The article says there's no evidence of the gene being responsible for behavior. Which means it's inconclusive if the gene is responsible for behavior. But, collectively we know it may be. |
|
| ▲ | PowerElectronix 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's extremely interesting that the genes that regulate this are non-protein coding. More light shed on the actual functionality of "junk" DNA, even if it's for cats. |
|
| ▲ | bookofjoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.reddit.com/r/catbongos/ |
| |
| ▲ | freecodeio a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | this one is always funny, anyone know why my orange would pull his ass so high to get a nice smack? almost as if they feel some sort of relief | |
| ▲ | drooopy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Recently I went through the list of all of the subs that I follow and 80% of them were all cat related. | | |
| ▲ | jnovek an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Do you think it’s always been that way? I have gone through a slow attrition of “serious” subs over the years as they’ve all slowly become toxic. I pretty much just have goofy, fun stuff or niche interests left at this point. | | |
| ▲ | 1970-01-01 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Cat picture pollution arrived around 2005 with Facebook. Directly driving it was the new idea of a cellphone camera. AOL and the era before it didn't have the cat picture pollution problem because they didn't have the technology to post them. | | |
| ▲ | toss1 15 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It is not pollution when it is the desirable outcome. It isn't like the relevant environment — the set of Internet forums — somehow predates human influence; it is nothing but the sum of human influence. Cat pictures at least add joy and mirth, and are driven by real people without outside motivation. If anything is pollution in that environment / context, is is the rise of content driven by surveillance capitalism and political corruption. At this point (at the risk of turning a measure into a target), might we be able to gauge the natural-ness of a forum by the number of cat pics? | | |
| ▲ | 1970-01-01 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Thank you Claudia. The cat pollution problem predates your training. In summation, cat pictures started as a nonpathogenec virus on Facebook and slowly matured into a slight benefit to some and an off-topic scourge to others. It's net benefit to humanity are debatable. |
|
| |
| ▲ | floorsthelimit an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | That’s a healthy way to use Reddit. Everything else is mostly rage bait. |
| |
| ▲ | Sharlin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I wouldn't be surprised if 80% of all subreddits are cat related. | |
| ▲ | bookofjoe 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | fyi: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCd6EjvCDRRWlkHjEYvSfOkA | |
| ▲ | NietTim 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I've been blocking subs in RES for years now, it's over 7000 last I checked and most I see on /r/all now is cat content. It's GLORIOUS | | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I never understood the extreme love for cats. I considered getting one for my daughter but the toxoplasmosis alone makes cat ownership an immediate nope and that’s before the cat piss/poop you can immediately smell in a house with cats in them. | | |
| ▲ | Xirdus an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Cats spent the last 4000 years or so evolving to be more adorable to humans. The reasons we love cats are rooted in our basic cognitive functions, which cats are abusing. I am not taking a piss when I say that people who don't like cats are more likely to be neurodivergent. | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > I am not taking a piss when I say that people who don't like cats are more likely to be neurodivergent. “Dog people” heavily outnumber “cat people” almost always in polls. Like 44% to 18% in this one https://ygo-assets-websites-editorial-emea.yougov.net/docume... Your neurodivergence argument holds up, just not in the way you think it does. | | |
| ▲ | Xirdus 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I would like you to expand on how my neurodivergence argument holds up if it doesn't hold up in the way I think it does. If you're about to say autists like cats more, I'm going to flip the desk. | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 2 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yes, that is exactly what I am saying but you should calm down. That could be the toxoplasmosis talking. |
|
|
| |
| ▲ | floorsthelimit an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I prefer animals that shit in a box to animals that eat their own shit and barf it up and eat it again. Plus it’s probably the toxoplasmosis that brainwashes us to love those furry little things. |
|
|
|
|
| ▲ | stuaxo 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Wait, do people in the US really call them "orange cats" - I just thought that was a reddit / internet thing. In the UK these are ginger cats. |
| |
| ▲ | jzb an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Yes. But we also call redheads "redheads" as a rule, not "gingers" - except that the "ginger" thing has filtered over here via the Internet in the past, I dunno, 20 years. Like, I can't recall anybody describing a redheaded person as a "ginger" in the 80s or 90s, (location: Missouri) it's something I've only encountered since there's been more language cross-pollination due to the Internet. | | |
| ▲ | BobbyJo 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | South Park really spread "ginger" as the term in the US. Since that episode, everyone I know uses ginger instead of redhead, whereas I only learned the word ginger from that episode. |
| |
| ▲ | ivanjermakov 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I thought it was popularized by internet/Reddit as a joke denoting that ginger cats are "special": https://www.reddit.com/r/OneOrangeBraincell/ | |
| ▲ | SwiftyBug 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | We call them orange cats (gatos laranjas) in Portuguese too! | |
| ▲ | orphea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Many places outside the US call them orange as well. | |
| ▲ | jeremyscanvic 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I always found this funny as well. We say ginger cats (chats roux) in French too! | |
| ▲ | drooopy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Cookie vs biscuit, vacation vs holiday, gasoline vs petrol, etc, etc. | | |
| ▲ | irishcoffee 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | FWIW, I believe petroleum is a synonym for crude oil. If you put it in your cars fuel tank, you'll have a bad time. Gasoline is made from petrolium. | | |
| ▲ | cpburns2009 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm pretty sure petrol means gasoline not petroleum. | | |
| ▲ | RobotToaster 22 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Petrol is technically just short for petroleum, which is latin for "rock oil" Gasoline is from gas + plus the chemical suffix "ol" short for the latin "oleum", and "ine" meaning "made of". | | |
| ▲ | delecti a few seconds ago | parent [-] | | But the etymology of a word doesn't prove that someone is using that word wrong, or people on both sides of the pond would have to start baking our biscuits a second time. |
|
| |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | petrol !== petroleum the confusion is solely in your reading comprehension skills and not in the GP's use of the words |
| |
| ▲ | TiredOfLife an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Cookie and biscuit are two different things. Which two depends on country, but still two different things | | |
| ▲ | NetMageSCW an hour ago | parent [-] | | The point is what in the Uk is called a biscuit in the US is called a cookie. Similarly for the other pairings. | | |
| ▲ | card_zero 25 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | This sense of biscuit persisted in US English for a long time. The National Biscuit Company (makers of oreos and fig newtons) only changed its name to Nabisco in 1931. The Kennedy Biscuit Company was subsumed by the New York Biscuit Company which merged with the American Biscuit Company to form the National Biscuit Company in 1898. Closes Wikipedia | |
| ▲ | venzaspa an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Cookies in the UK are a subset of biscuits, but not all biscuits are cookies. Do you not have any other types of biscuits (using the UK term) in the US? | | |
| ▲ | bensyverson 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | No. A biscuit is something entirely different in the US. We just have many types of cookies. |
|
|
|
| |
| ▲ | gedy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You might be shocked that we say "red heads" instead of ginger as well. | |
| ▲ | danaris 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In the US, "ginger" is a seasoning, not a color. Like, in general; we do not refer to anything as being ginger-colored unless it's a sort of pale yellowish tan. | | |
| ▲ | aqme28 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | People will still refer to redheads as "ginger" but only some of the time | | | |
| ▲ | dylan604 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you would then please explain the "kick a ginger day" from SouthPark | | | |
| ▲ | card_zero 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In UK English ginger isn't exactly a color either. It's not like yellow or orange. It's a state of being. I don't know why this is being downvoted. Does "ginger-colored" sound right to you? It doesn't quite work. | | |
| ▲ | leoedin 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's true. A person is ginger, but nobody ever says things are ginger coloured. Ginger isn't even really one colour - it's a spectrum of orange-containing hair colours. |
|
| |
| ▲ | DonHopkins 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hey now, that's prejudice! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVN_0qvuhhw | |
| ▲ | dboreham 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I always called the orange even when I was in the UK. | |
| ▲ | logicchains 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | In Australia they're known an ranga cats (ranga as in orangutan). | |
| ▲ | fortyseven 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm in the US, but through cultural osmosis, ginger in the UK context is in my vocabulary. I think things like this are going to coalesce, slowly. | |
| ▲ | johnnyanmac 36 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They are mostly tabbies at the end of the day. But colloquially, yes: the US tends to simply call them orange. | |
| ▲ | ReptileMan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | UK and USA are brotherly nations divided only by their common language. |
|
|
| ▲ | thesebas 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| https://www.reddit.com/r/OneOrangeBraincell/ I think it is relevant. |
| |
| ▲ | rob74 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | My experience (cat owner myself, son of cat owners and regular cat-sitter) confirms what the article says: orange cats are no more or less prone to doing seemingly stupid/weird things than cats of any other color. More seriously, I think this stereotype is a direct continuation of stereotypes against red-haired humans (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_people_...), so it shouldn't be encouraged... | | |
| ▲ | adzm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Most likely this is because orange cats are almost always male, and (neutered) male cats tend to be goofier than females. I think the association with discrimination against red haired humans is a stretch though | | |
| ▲ | mschuster91 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Tell that to my female Standard Issue Cats lol. One is food motivated, pretty intelligent when it comes to food and pretty fat, and her twin sister is routinely making me wonder if she's an orange cat with a modified fur. Dumb as rocks but excessively cute. | | |
| ▲ | realo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "Dumb as rock but excessively cute" ... Funny how that applies to some humans as well! |
|
| |
| ▲ | etcetcetcetceta an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I agree but I don't think it's related to prejudice against redheaded humans, wrt the cats I think it's some sort of confirmation bias. Have had >13 cats in my life, and they're all fucking weird. | |
| ▲ | forinti 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I had couple of cats (orange male and tortoiseshell female) that lived 20 years after I picked them off the street. The female had only one kidney and the male had an extra vertebra but these things only became a problem in their last year. They were both very calm creatures. The male was one of the most gentle cats I've ever known. I really miss him greeting me by nodding at me from the sofa when I got home. | | |
| ▲ | SwiftyBug 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you describe what the male looked like? I have a tortoiseshell who's all crooked. Her paws are twisted inward, her tail is shaped like a spring, her rear legs are longer than her front legs. She's all weird. Now I'm wondering if she has extra stuff like a vertebra too. Does your male cat looked overall normal despite the extra vertebra? | | |
| ▲ | bombcar an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | We had a cat with a "pig tail" as in his tail was shaped like a pig's and couldn't straighten out. The vet said it was some relatively common birth defect and wasn't a major issue. | | |
| ▲ | SwiftyBug an hour ago | parent [-] | | Oh, cool! I never heard about another cat with a similar tail as my tortie's. The vet said she was probably born like that, but didn't say anything about this being common-ish. |
| |
| ▲ | forinti 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | They both looked normal and where quite beautiful cats actually. We only found out their health issues from exams. |
| |
| ▲ | gausswho an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | > and the male had an extra vertebra My brain seized up trying to picture this. They didn't say vertebrum, so that's not just a wee bone but a whole other second spine! How does it even...?? I must know! | | |
| ▲ | forinti an hour ago | parent [-] | | Sorry, it was just an extra bone. Actually, I think I got it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebra | | |
| ▲ | gausswho an hour ago | parent [-] | | You're correct. My neophyte Latin chops be exposed. Let me explain what I just learned with my figurative antennae (plural, not antenna which also ends in 'a' and is singular), something about first and second declensions and neutered... No that's plenty enough. Carry on! |
|
|
| |
| ▲ | khelavastr 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was just thinking how behavioral differences of red haired foxes, cats, and humans from their closest relatives are explained by the same sort of proopiomelanocortin and other substantia nigra differences from weak MC1R activity. | | |
| ▲ | reilly3000 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | As someone who lives with 4 cats, one of which who is orange and conforming with all stereotypes, I implore you to further that line of inquiry. While the OP paper doesn’t claim behavioral differences are supported, it doesn’t falsify them and there could be a dynamic there. If you could genetically encode shamelessness it might encapsulate the behavior. It’s not a lack of intelligence per se, more of a lack of inhibition. This paper demonstrates a connection with behavior. I personally suspect gingers have smaller amygdala. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/381166835_The_Skin-... |
| |
| ▲ | xattt 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Tangential and sample size n = 1, but the two orange cats in my life were spankers/lovers of cat bongos whereas all other coloured cats were not. There is something different about them, and the red hair thing is a coincidence. | | |
| ▲ | Cthulhu_ 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | We have a tuxedo boi who is a big fan of the butt bongos, n=1 again but still. |
| |
| ▲ | Oarch 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Hey, some of us love and appreciate that red hair too! | |
| ▲ | Noaidi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Did you know people with blue eyes are more likely to have bipolar disorder? This of course doesn’t mean everyone blue eyes has bipolar disorder but it makes it more likely. I think the issue may be playing out in orange cats as well. It’s certainly not going to give me every orange is weird, but it increases the likelihood and I think that’s why we see the stereotype play out. I had an orange cat growing up in the 1970s well before the Internet and out of the seven cast I own as a child. It was very much different. |
| |
| ▲ | TiredOfLife an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Turns out racism is funny and accepted if directed against those you don't like | | |
|
|
| ▲ | amelius 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Fun fact: people with red hair have more fear for dentists: https://www.dentistryiq.com/dentistry/article/55260898/redhe... |
| |
| ▲ | kolinko 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which makes sense because anesthesia doesn’t work on them as well. One or two encounters with a dentist that doesn’t know it and it’s quite natural to develop such a fear. | | |
|
|
| ▲ | sleepybrett an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Still no way to track the one neuron that they all share. |
|
| ▲ | quotemstr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Missed headline opportunity: "60-year orange cat itch finally scratched" |
|
| ▲ | jdw64 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| So in the US, they call them orange cats. In Korea, we call them 'cheese tabbies' or 'cheese nyang(kitten).' Someday, when I leave this place, I'd like to get a cat. I really like the ones with broad faces. But right now, I can barely even take care of myself |
|
| ▲ | bitwize 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They finally proved that the brain cells of all orange cats are a single brain cell in a quantum state of superposition between all of them? Erwin Schrödinger would be proud. |
| |
| ▲ | shagie 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | {I am not a kook - this is creative writing} I've long held that the nine lives of a cat are not a sequential thing, but a quantum superposition of the cat. Just as Pavlov selected dogs for his classic experiment in psychology; Schrödinger - understanding the quantum nature of cats - selected a cat for his thought experiment. A cat lives nine simultaneous lives. This explains many of the phenomena that one observes with cats. First off, there's the classic "that looks like my cat" from the internet, that other cat could very well be a parallel instance of your cat. Second, there's the perceived goofiness of cats as they chase imaginary things when they're forgetting where their bodies are at a given time. One instance of the cat could be locked in mortal combat with the elusive red dot while the other one is jumping at what looks to the humans around him as zoomies or greebles ( https://www.reddit.com/r/greebles/ ). Kittens are especially prone to being confused by their quantum nature and prone to those activities. The easiest way to pay attention to only one self-instance for a cat is the simplest, sleep. This is why cats have been reported to sleep 12 - 16 hours, and kittens up to 20 hours per day ( https://www.petmd.com/cat/behavior/why-do-cats-sleep-so-much ). | | |
| ▲ | Noaidi an hour ago | parent [-] | | Depressing that some would call you a kook. Creativity is where new science happens. I have often been called a kook myself. I feel my Schizoaffevctive disorder is expressed because the quantum state most people express is not the same as mine. |
|
|
|
| ▲ | optimalsolver 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Do orange cats know they’re orange? |
| |
| ▲ | topspin an hour ago | parent [-] | | Interesting question. Cats apparently have "dichromatic" vision, and orange is among the colors that they basically can't distinguish from grey. I have an orange male. He's awesome, and he doesn't leave anything on the table as far as cognitive ability goes. He's just very wrapped up in his important cat business that mostly resolves around territory, chipmunks and hanging out with his enemies. | | |
| ▲ | wincy 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | My cat desperately meowed at me this morning to go outside to hang out with her enemies, which I denied her request. She brought a very much alive and unharmed chipmunk home the other day which was booking it around our great room until we corralled him outside with a broom. The live bird incident was even more dramatic. It’s like having a mischievious goblin living in your house. But she does keep the mice from coming in during the winter! |
|
|
|
| ▲ | MichaelZuo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| “ Arhgap36 is known to cause developmental problems in other animals when it is over- or under-functioning. But it seems that in orange cats, the gene is overexpressed only in developing and mature pigment cells called melanocytes.” This doesn’t make sense… if thousands of anecdotal reports in cats specifically report otherwise? And if it’s known to not be limited to melanocytes in other mammalian species? |
| |
|
| ▲ | ourmandave 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| 60 years of dissecting fluffy orange kittens is a lot of fluffy orange kittens. =( |
| |
| ▲ | Aurornis 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Good news: Genetic research does not involve direction. Source: I have had my genome sequence. I was not dissected. | | |
| ▲ | Noaidi an hour ago | parent [-] | | They did hurt some cats. You cannot do RNA sequencing without looking at tissue samples: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098222... "We first performed RNA sequencing (RNA-seq) on skin tissues obtained from the auricles of different adult calico cats (#19, #20, and #22, females, precise ages unknown)" Auricles are the earlobes. "We then analyzed multiple skin tissues obtained from a young calico cat that died of unknown causes (#01, female, 3 weeks old) " "A) Expression levels of ARHGAP36 and IGSF1 in cat auricles (left) and skin tissues (right). RNA-seq data were obtained in small auricle pieces of different coat colors derived from different cats (left) and in skin samples of different coat colors derived from a single calico cat (#01) (right)." Biological samples
Domestic cat blood Inakazu Dog & Cat Kashii Hospital https://www.inakazu-vet.com/
Domestic cat ovary Cat clinics in Japan N/A
Domestic cat auricular Cat clinics in Japan N/A | | |
| ▲ | liveoneggs 21 minutes ago | parent [-] | | stray cats are fixed and have ears clipped in several countries so you have an excess of those tissues hanging around no matter what |
|
| |
| ▲ | shiandow 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why would you need to dissect kittens for a gene study? | | |
|