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▲ ionwake an hour ago

Im sorry I know Im getting old but I say everyone is responsible. From the press who might focus too much on the whistleblower, to the poeple who OKed the company for 3rd party access, to the team responsible for regulation to the person who didnt order further checks.

I dont understand why there is not massive reorganisations in systems when things go wrong. Its always , oh yeah so we fired the guy furthest down the ladder.

You might think Im being weird, but after living many years in corporate the amount of times you see some major thing go wrong and some random guy get fired for it - often the dude who found/highlighted the problem, is crazy. I mean you simply don't believe it until you witness it. Its just moral/leadership decay.

I wouldn't have made this comment but I see comments with people empathising with certain individuals in cases like this, when the way to be nice is to overhaul the system of checks and people responsible and spread the blame, fixing the domain.

▲bombcar an hour ago | parent | next [-]

There's a very "child-like" (not in a good way) form of responsibility that everyone seems to lean into as they climb up - very intent-based.

I asked them to do a thing, but didn't intend the obvious consequences* so it's not my fault they occurred.

▲ben_w 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I asked them to do a thing, but didn't intend the obvious consequences* so it's not my fault they occurred.

And now we have the same thing but the bosses 'hire' AI.

Now I realise this is part of how unusual my thinking is.

I'm happy to use phrases like "ChatGPT hacked out of the sandbox, then hacked into HuggingFace"; people often respond to this like I'm suggesting OpenAI isn't at fault, and like, no, so far as I'm concerned the buck still stops with the person who set the task regardless, the thing that changes from incidents like this is now nobody in the future gets to even have the excuse "oh but we didn't know it could even do that" or "we didn't know it might interpret our orders in that kind of way".

The response, both when a human messes up and now when an AI messes up, needs to be defence in depth: someone giving orders needs to be giving clear orders, entities (human or machine) who follow instructions need to have not just an understanding of how to follow them, but also what's so out of scope as to be forbidden.

▲miohtama 4 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Massive reorganisation will only happen if companies with poor security record go out of business, while competent ones win market share.

Otherwise shareholders do not care, because they do not have skin in the game.

Same for government staff. Unless they are explicitly fired there are no consequences of abusing the trust of public.

▲tokai 11 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah that is a pretty weird opinion. Who cares about if he gets fired. He should be charged with criminal negligence and face prison time. Everyone is responsible for their own actions and its always possible to quit.

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