| ▲ | tancop 3 hours ago |
| That means the only options left are micronutrients, specific additives or psychology. I bet a lot of this is psychosomatic, you expect some food will give you fast energy so your body thinks that means you need it and releases insulin. |
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| ▲ | andor 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I was about to comment that the physical structure of the food and the fiber content also make a difference. For instance, rolled oats are available in different thicknesses, and the thicker ones don’t digest as easily. Brown vs white rice is another example. But these examples have different glycemic indexes, which the study matched for. |
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| ▲ | mpalczewski 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| And chewing. How fast it is eaten is likely affected. |
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| ▲ | PowerElectronix 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not only psychology, but training. If your body gets a load of sugar every time it tastes UPF additives, it learns to release insulin on taste to protect itself. |
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| ▲ | esperent 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Isn't that what glycemic index means though? How quickly the sugar gets released? | | |
| ▲ | rpozarickij an hour ago | parent [-] | | Grandparent post is talking about the connection between taste and insulin, which would be a different mechanism from when a given food causes a spike in blood glucose based on its composition. Meaning that you'd get a different insulin response if you ingested something bypassing taste receptors vs being able to taste that food. |
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| ▲ | eudkfkriEir 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > That means the only options left are plus all of the options that are complete unknowns which, in biology, is probably close to 99.999% |
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| ▲ | nrclark 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Another option is that it's affected by the order of consumption. I know somebody who got really into blood glucose monitoring, and she tells me that the order in which she eats a meal affects how much it spikes her glucose. So if she eats a piece of toast followed by a piece of cheese, it causes her a bigger glucose spike than she'd get if she eats the cheese first and then the toast. Looking at the two meals in the study: if I sat down to eat the processed one, I'd probably start with the veggie straws. If I saw down to eat the unprocessed one, I'd almost certainly start with the egg or the cheese. edit: and here are some other options: I notice that the unprocessed one is grain-free, vegetarian and has significantly less sucrose. I don't know if any of that makes it more or less healthy, but they're significant differences nutritionally. |
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| ▲ | canucker2016 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If you look up how to calculate the glycemic index of a meal, the formula treats each meal component's glycemic index as a proportion of the total meal's glycemic index. But the above example shows that the body doesn't treat food in that manner - the relatively low carb, higher fat cheese didn't smooth out the higher proportion carb count of the toast. In the paper, the largest carbs for the ultraprocessed meal was instant mashed potatoes, while the non-processed meal had bananas as the largest carb source followed by craisins/cranberries. The high carb foods in the unprocessed meal are paired with fiber. The high carb foods in the ultraprocessed meal are NOT paired with fiber. The fiber slows the rate of carb intake. Same thing occurs with protein - same amount of ground beef and steak, ground beef meal will result in faster amino acid ingestion than the steak meal. No idea if there are any pros/cons of the faster ground beef ingestion, but there is a difference in how the digestive system processes the two meals. | |
| ▲ | jwr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I know somebody who got really into blood glucose monitoring, and she tells me that the order in which she eats a meal affects how much it spikes her glucose. So if she eats a piece of toast followed by a piece of cheese, it causes her a bigger glucose spike than she'd get if she eats the cheese first and then the toast. This is what I read in a book about glucose. So I went ahead and measured. I found it not true, at least in my case. The recommendations of eating salad before your meal do nothing measureable for my glucose spikes. | | |
| ▲ | bilsbie 24 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I got a cgm and found the exact same thing. A piece of cake after a protein and fiber containing meal didn’t move my blood sugar at all. On the flip side I seem to gain the same amount of weight regardless of what my blood sugar does. |
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| ▲ | gniv 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is the main thing of Jessie Inchauspé. One of her many videos on the subject: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEEUrIQ_3O4 |
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