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▲ ambicapter 3 hours ago

I don't see how either of your examples are necessarily more direct than the other?

▲ksd482 3 hours ago | parent [-]

hmm..perhaps I was biased because I watched a couple of documentaries, a tv film and read the book by John Carreyrou "Bad Blood", so my eyes were primed to look for this pattern.

But he was definitely manipulative in this regard.