This is good advice but a simpler solution is to just not buy these things? Coffee machines don't need internet. Your thermostat doesn't either.

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bartread 44 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I agree on the coffee machine. On the thermostat, not so much. We keep pretty irregular hours so being able to control the thermostat remotely, so the house isn’t being heated unnecessarily but is warm on our return, is useful.

	▲	sfRattan 23 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Honeywell Home T6 Pro Z-Wave. It's smart and supports only Z-Wave, not WiFi. So something like a machine running Home Assistant must sit between it and the Internet. And then its up to you to decide how you want to do remote access, but WireGuard overlay networks (e.g. Netbird, Tailscale) basically solve that problem at home-user scale.
	▲	magicalhippo 25 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		That said, getting a Zigbee or Z-Wave thermostat and have Home Assistant or similar control it is a better option that buying a surveillance-ready WiFi-enabled one.

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stronglikedan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Coffee machines don't need internet. Your thermostat doesn't either. reply

Yours may not, but that's just your personal preference. A lot of folks enjoy these products. An argument could be made that no one needs a coffee machine or thermostat to begin with.

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askvictor an hour ago | parent [-]

I can definitely see the case for an internet connected thermostat. A coffee machine, much less so.

	▲	delecti an hour ago \| parent [-]
		You're about 35 years behind the times about people networking their coffee machines [0]. People might want to know the status of the pot (the OG example), how their ground/bean coffee supply is, or the ability to trigger a coffee or water boiling before they walk to the machine. My coffee making process is entirely manual, and I like it that way, but I can at least see how there are some features that could be nice. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_Room_coffee_pot