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▲ PyWoody 2 hours ago

I live in a touristy town that does this with J1 workers. I'll tell you why: The jobs pay $7.25/hour.

The J1s are then packed like sardines into houses where they pay rent by the week. Why by the week? To remind them they're expendable and can be deported at a moment's notice by the restaurant/hotel/amusement park/etc. they work at. The worst I've heard is 16 people living in a 3-bedroom, 1 bathroom house.

The J1s themselves are typically great people. A lot of them do everything they can to stay in the area via Green Cards or whatever. Business that treat their J1s like shit are usually blacklisted by locals, too. We'll actively tell tourists not to give those businesses any business and why.

▲jameshart an hour ago | parent | next [-]

People are willing to take a discount on their wages and quality of life for the intangible benefit of ‘the experience of living and working abroad for a summer’.

For non-native English speakers it also has the advantage of providing a free total immersion language course as well. People pay for opportunities like that.

So yes, an Italian 19 year old is willing to work for less money for the chance to work in a water park for a summer, improving their English and boosting their resume, and if it gives them enough money to be able to fund a couple of weekend trips to New York or DC so much the better. It’s a life experience and a working vacation.

That local 19 year olds are not seeing the same advantages to that sort of work isn’t surprising.

▲shimman an hour ago | parent [-]

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▲rayiner 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same thing with au pairs and childcare work: https://www.npr.org/2019/01/09/683831264/au-pair-sponsor-age.... It’s basically below minimum wage.

▲whstl an hour ago | parent [-]

Exactly. Au pairs are super common in Europe too, I even know of American ones.

The appeal for foreigners is living temporarily in Germany, Switzerland, etc.

It's an exchange: the host offers a roof, pays next to nothing for a live-in nanny, etc.

It's tourism + work.

I don't think anyone would do this as a career, and locals just do it in another country.

▲nperrier 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I learned this hiring practice in my home state of MN. The lake Superior North shore has resorts that hire these types of workers and pay them shit.

▲hbosch an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Naturally, there’s an old This American Life episode about this which focuses on young international people who work summer at a highway rest stop.

Ep. 388

▲RealityVoid 22 minutes ago | parent [-]

Oh, this was me 18 years ago. Worked a summer in Wyoming at a truck stop in the middle of the desert. It was kind of fun. Don't regret it a minute. My one and only trip to the US. People were warm and welcoming, if a bit wierd at times. The trip I did there with the Grayhound bus was _wild_. I think of my time there with fondness.

▲indoordin0saur an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If this is like what I saw in Maine coastal tourist towns this summer I suspect its popular with Europeans because the $15.10/hour local wage is attractive. But more so it's because you get to spend time a few months in a beautiful location surrounded by other attractive young people. Party scene is probably great.

▲zucked an hour ago | parent [-]

I suspect you're correct on that front, too. I have family in an area that has been bringing in European teens to work seasonal tourist-facing jobs for probably(?) decades now. I can't speak to how they are treated outside my view, but anecdotally, they seem to really enjoy the opportunity. They get their little euro-crew together and basically have a College experience.

Locals like them, too - they're charming, generally well-behaved, polite, and it doesn't hurt that they don't have to pay them very much. I like to think the cultural exchange between the Europeans and the otherwise isolated locals is fantastic for broadening horizons, also.

▲exolymph 19 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The right policy response would be telling the firms running these programs to get fucked if they can't successfully operate while paying staff the prevailing wage that local Americans would accept.

▲supertrope 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

A nearby amusement park touted that they pay $20/hr. However it's seasonal, not year around. They raised wages because COVID-19 and current Administration policies decreased the supply of foreign college students who somehow had work authorization.

▲esalman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I agree. If the minimum wage is raised, there will be less incentives for businesses to hire cheap foreign workers.