> Secretary of Labor Keith Sonderling added that some of the largest IT firms in the world would also be suspended from that program, including Cognizant, Infosys, Tata, Wipro, HCL and Capgemini.

> "We will not accept any new or process any pending permanent labor certification applications involving these companies," Sonderling said.

2. I'm kinda surprised those firms were even trying to get green cards for their employees. I thought their whole model was to rotate offshore people into the US for temporary assignments on H1-Bs.

> Under the PERM process, employers seek certification from the Department of Labor that there is no qualified, willing or available US worker for a specific job. It's a step required before filing petitions for most employment-based green cards.

3. That was always kinda bullshit and was unfair to everyone. You've got some guy who's settled, been working for years, made friends, etc. then you check that there's no US qualified worker? That check should have always been the first step of an H1-B. Delaying it actually made me pretty sympathetic to the attempts to game the system to prevent and American from getting the job. Even if H1-Bs were technically for temporary workers, everyone saw them as a step on the way to permanent residency.

4. So have they done anything about offshoring yet? Because focusing on H1-Bs and green cards is focusing on the problems of 20+ years ago.

It's probably been 15 years since my employer sponsored any significant numbers of employees for H1-Bs, it's all offshore hiring in Asia to company offices in Asia now.

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thatfrenchguy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The trick for those companies is that their employees get stuck in the green card line forever

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EDC9599190 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> 2. I'm kinda surprised those firms were even trying to get green cards for their employees. I thought their whole model was to rotate offshore people into the US for temporary assignments on H1-Bs.

Certainly not at Microsoft.

> 3. That was always kinda bullshit and was unfair to everyone. You've got some guy who's settled, been working for years, made friends, etc. then you check that there's no US qualified worker? That check should have always been the first step of an H1-B. Delaying it actually made me pretty sympathetic to the attempts to game the system to prevent and American from getting the job.

There's a similar evaluation done for H1B.

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palmotea 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> Certainly not at Microsoft.

I was specifically responding to the list I quoted, which did not list Microsoft and was mostly Indian consulting firms.

> There's a similar evaluation done for H1B.

If so, they should tighten that up then (if they haven't already) so it can't be gamed, then drop it from the PERM evaluation if it's already been done.

	▲	jpalawaga 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		you might be surprised to learn that there are people who apply for eb-2 on work (or non-work) visas other than h1b.

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BeetleB 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> That was always kinda bullshit and was unfair to everyone. You've got some guy who's settled, been working for years, made friends, etc. then you check that there's no US qualified worker? That check should have always been the first step of an H1-B.

It actually is a required step for the H1-B. I've heard it's more relaxed than the green card check, though.