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▲ whycome a day ago

Why is this allowed? There’s no way to consent to a coffee machine.

▲triceratops 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If you buy a Keurig machine you've already signalled you're a sucker. (sorry)

▲spandrew 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is the most Gilfoyle-coded comment of the day

▲triceratops 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I'll take that as a compliment!

▲m463 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

perfect person to sell to advertisers.

Like the people who reply to nigerian emails have already been pre-qualified by 1) ignoring the misspellings and 2) replying.

▲zikduruqe 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Laughs in Moccamaster.

▲Freak_NL 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Tongue-in-cheek, but my Moccamaster which I bought second-hand is still doing great after 15 years. Two deep cleaning sessions in all that time and just running it with vinegar a couple of times a year seems to be all it needs.

The device is dead simple. No advanced electronics. Nothing complex that can break. Just a coffee maker fine-tuned to near perfection.

The only flaw it has is the handle for the pot. I've resorted to replacing the plastic handle with a fancy walnut one I made myself. I needed that because we tilt the pot sideways to fill the reservoir with water (because of the placement on the kitchen counter and the cabinets above), and that plastic handle is not designed for sideways stresses.

▲thinkingQueen 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You shouldn’t fill the reservoir with the coffee pot, unless you’re really washing the pot super clean after each use. Better get a proper jug for filling the reservoir, so you’re not putting coffee residue and oils back into the clean-water system.

▲Neywiny a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Presumably during setup and connection to the AP it has a ToS. Doubtful they just unboxed, plugged in, and it connected to the right AP and went.

▲egorfine 11 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Doubtful they just unboxed, plugged in, and it connected to the right AP and went

Why not? iirc some of the smart TVs have been shown to find open wifi networks on their own and upload data. (I'm not sure about that though. But it's plausible and undoubtedly will be implemented some day).

▲sroussey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The use WiFi networks as a form of GPS, much like smartphones on first stage of geolocation

▲gambiting 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I've read this argument dozens of times on HN and on HN only - I'd love to see an example of that actually provably happening anywhere in the real world.

▲AlexandrB 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I would love to as well. It sounds like something that's plausible but potentially a minefield of liability for the manufacturer.

I could also see some kind of partnership with ISPs to use their "public" WiFi hotspots[1]. This seems more likely since it's (probably) harder to honeypot but requires making regional deals.

[1] https://www.highspeedinternet.com/resources/is-your-router-a...

▲criddell 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Maybe they bought it used?

▲Citizen_Lame a day ago | parent | prev [-]

ToS can't trump the actual law.

▲pjmorris 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is one thing to make a law, it is another to enforce a law.

▲preg_match 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The actual law is typically so weak and spineless that the ToS doesn't need to trump it. Particularly when it comes to data security or privacy.

▲advisedwang 19 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ok, but it can collect consent

▲anigbrowl 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

LOL

Legislators are cheap to purchase

▲nicbou 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's not allowed in the EU. Not without consent.

▲egorfine 11 hours ago | parent [-]

[flagged]

▲black6 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It's implied consent when you give it access to your WiFi.

Why you would give a coffee maker access to your WiFi is the real question,

▲pfannkuchen a day ago | parent [-]

So in other words, they were asking for it?

▲K0balt 20 hours ago | parent [-]

Well, yeah sorta since the only reason appliances connect to the internet is to steal data. I mean, if you buy a connected x that normally would not be connected, it’s 99 percent there to do nefarious stuff for its real owners. It’s like having a pet lion. Sure, it’s horribly irresponsible that someone sold you a pet lion, but. Uuuh you bought at pet lion. What did you think it was going to do?

Besides, did you see how he was dressed?

▲noduerme 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is funny.

How do you feel about thermostats? Are some things worth it? I've had a "smart" one for the past five years, part of a new furnace install, that I've stubbornly refused to connect to my wifi. Of course this means if we forget to turn the heat down while no one's home, there's nothing to be done about it.

▲05 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

There are ways to control a device remotely without letting the device spy on you and call home - Zigbee, Matter, Esphome..

▲thatguy0900 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How does this analogy go when people buy a house kitten and it turns out they have been sold a lion cub? Most people simply do not have the tech literacy to understand that what they a are buying is actually a lion, they thought they were buying a coffeemaker with some cool features. It's difficult to blame the victim when they would need to spend hours trying to understand why the thing mapping out their local network is something that they should even care about

▲EA-3167 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In that context the person is a fool who shouldn’t be in charge of another life, because they’re incapable of basic prudence.

I don’t actually think that applies to coffee makers spying on people though. People shouldn’t be expected to understand how computer networks or ad tech spying works in the same way that literally any child or idiot should know the difference between a lion cub and a house cat.

▲mindslight 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In the analogy, there is no such thing as a house kitten. They are all cute and cuddly lion cubs. Society needs to develop a deep awareness of this, in spite of the ocean of fraudulent advertising to the contrary. (individual-liberty-protecting regulation like the GDPR would be nice too, alas)