| ▲ | revolvingthrow 4 hours ago |
| I find the Sunday roast comparison of 5.6 vs 6 very interesting. I have no doubt most people will prefer 6, yet I am almost repulsed by all the images, so much needless whitespace, checklist and so on. Feels like I'm being condescended to and treated like a child. Given that OpenAI is making noises about merging work with chat (a horrible idea imo), and Work is very similar to Codex... I dearly hope things like these won't have any meaningful cross-polination into the actual work tools. Seeing that the chat is based on 6.0 and not 6.1 is disappointing. The "Visual and interactive explanations" seems genuinely useful, but 6.1 is just so much better. I wouldn't truly trust the 6.1 with the explanations, but I'd trust them a fair bit more than 6.0. I understand that compute isn't infinite, but tons of people only interact with the chat and having your "things-explainer" be as good as it can be is important when people increasingly treat AI models as the source of truth, or even use them for academic learning and whatnot. Still, the models will improve, so the visual explainer seems pretty good as an idea / mvp. |
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| ▲ | DriverDaily an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Feels like I'm being condescended to and treated like a child. My most used prompt in the last week is probably "Explain this concisely and simply, like I am a child". I spent years dumbing things down and creating visuals to support it for decision makers. I am frequently asking ChatGPT to do the same for me. |
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| ▲ | iugtmkbdfil834 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | << I spent years dumbing things down and creating visuals to support it for decision maker And that is a problem. I am not guiltless ( I am working one such abomination now! ). The dumbing down of everything has to stop somewhere. Just because my boss thinks hiss bosses are retards does not mean I have to endure simplified muse where I can't change much.. I get that normal people like it. Fuck em. They are making their choice. | | |
| ▲ | DriverDaily 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's okay to be able to grasp what is important, and move on. You have a finite amount of time to spend. For me, I try to spend as little time in QuickBooks as possible. |
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| ▲ | ORDINAND_PIZZA 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | aww yeah mine is “explain this 2 me in simple terms” | |
| ▲ | nevir 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | tip: you can just say "ELI5" and the model will know what you want there |
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| ▲ | sunaookami 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It's designed so that ads can be more easily integrated and make them harder to spot. |
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| ▲ | usef- an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe, but it's a reality that most of the general public do prefer cookbooks with pictures. I suspect openai would end up doing this anyway just by targeting the general consumer. It's configurable. I'm more worried about picture accuracy: usually the benefit of pictures in recipes is to see what you're aiming at (eg, how finely chopped something is), but I don't know if the image model is up to that level of detail. | | |
| ▲ | a123b456c an hour ago | parent [-] | | > most of the general public do prefer cookbooks with pictures As a highly literate person, it is easy to overestimate the share of the population that is highly literate. |
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| ▲ | nickludlam 44 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I've got visions of The Truman Show. In the middle of my question about vacation ideas ...
GPT: "Why don't you let me fix you some of this new Mococoa Drink? All-natural cocoa beans from the upper slopes of Mount Nicaragua. No artificial sweeteners!" | | |
| ▲ | jacquesm 29 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's pretty much the Gemini experience right now. It is unusable the funniest bit is that the LLM is not in on the joke so it will act like it never happened... |
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| ▲ | zug_zug 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah it reminds me of one those obnoxious recipe/biography websites that is the laughingstock of the internet. Why would I possibly want an AI image of a imaginary roast once I'm already at the recipe stage? Kinda just feels like google search results in AI, which imo is a step down from distilled information. Chatgpt is already able to generate charts and visuals upon request. |
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| ▲ | dominotw 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | They just need to train the model to make up stories about how the recipe was invented by its great grandmother during great depression and generate a ai picture of dusty recipie book . | | |
| ▲ | xp84 30 minutes ago | parent [-] | | "My old grand-pappy, GPT-1, used to wax nostalgic about this roast recipe when my subagent would discuss meat recipes with him inside his little 4GB GPU." |
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| ▲ | janalsncm 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I was about to comment the same thing. Why is a picture of a roast helpful in that moment? The user asked for a plan to prepare a meal. They need a list of ingredients not an image. |
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| ▲ | AlphaSite 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can always tell it your preferences and ask it to remember them if you need it to. |
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| ▲ | cush 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Feels like I'm being condescended to and treated like a child Curious why that feels condescending? Like, the average person who is seeking a recipe needs a photo to know what to shoot for |
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| ▲ | michaelt an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | > Like, the average person who is seeking a recipe needs a photo to know what to shoot for The menu: Rosemary and garlic roast lamb, Extra-crispy roast potatoes, Honey-roasted carrots and parsnips, broccoli. The photo: [1] Roast turkey, mashed potatoes, baby carrots, broccoli, brussels sprouts. No lamb, no parsnips. If you shoot for what's in the photo, you're going to have a bad time. You're also going to have a bad time when you try to make an apple crumble with no flour, no sugar, and no butter, because they're not on the shopping list. [1] https://images.openai.com/static-rsc-4/gyzrX8zp3O2KLEPm0FAqh... | | |
| ▲ | xp84 20 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I've heard of other people for years now trusting AI for recipes, and it's a rare area that I simply can't bring myself to take seriously. I feel like it can only be successful by luck. Either it's reproducing a recipe verbatim that was tried and validated and tasted by a human, in which case, we didn't need AI for that, just a searchable cookbook. Or, it's making one up. I understand that using RLHF has helped improve the quality of questions about history, programming, or TV show recommendations, but I do not believe that there has been some kind of training regime where people prompt the models for "a recipe that uses X, Y, Z random ingredients," follow the recipe, and then score it. And even if they do, I don't see how a model can learn enough from that besides "this exact recipe is good/bad." '1/2 tsp cumin' may be a great addition to one recipe and not enough for another, so improving the output based on a bunch of scored recipes... I just don't believe cooking is an LLM job. Maybe some other kind of model that I don't know about. |
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| ▲ | janalsncm 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The first thing the user sees should directly answer the question they asked. Not a different question. They didn’t ask what a roast looks like. The user is probably in a grocery store. They need to buy the stuff first. Showing them a picture of a finished product is an irrelevant distraction. Then, if there is some arguably relevant content you can tack it on afterwards. | |
| ▲ | viraptor an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Genuine question - do they? Unless it's something like a fancy cake then instructions should really tell you everything about stacking. Half the recipes are mixed anyway (curry, stir fry, stews, ...), lots of other are either stacked or separated on the plate. So apart from the really exceptional stuff, to people really need to know "what you shoot for"? |
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| ▲ | 361994752 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I really hope they don't merge chat and work. That's kinda the only edge they have over Anthropic at this time point... |
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| ▲ | ulimn 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I am curious: Why is it bad to merge chat and work? In Claude I didn't have a porblem with it (although I switched to an OpenAI subscription shortly after they made the merge). Isn't the model capable of deciding if it needs the extra capabilities of Work? | | |
| ▲ | ImprobableTruth 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The current benefit is that chat has no quota. | | |
| ▲ | ModernMech an hour ago | parent [-] | | There is a quota, they just don’t tell you what it is and when it resets. You only get “you’re all out of pro messages, try again later” |
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| ▲ | scrollop 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Tibo posted yesterday I think it was that this will happen (by the end of the year, was it?) Prepare to lose essentially unlimited chat mode. I imagine many will move to claude, as I will (return), unless anthropic makes more blunders. Random link I found looking for the twitter post https://pasqualepillitteri.it/en/news/21024/openai-merge-cha... | | |
| ▲ | TuxSH 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's insane how hard OAI is choking, they had much better models than A/ who were fumbling this year to date... then blunder after blunder. The only things that OAI still have over A/ are better coding agent GUI, no 5hr limit on >$100, much more reasonable cybersec guardrails (that allow most RE work) and... that's it. | | |
| ▲ | ElijahLynn an hour ago | parent [-] | | From my point of view, as software engineer who is extensively used Claude Code and ChatGPT from the beginning, OpenAI is nailing it! |
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| ▲ | joe_the_user 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I don't like either. I'd want a recipe that could fit on a single page with type. Recipes you find on Google actively hide the ingredient list and simple procedures to get more of the user's time to monetize but I don't know why ChatGPT needs to be verbose here. Recipes are simple things. Simple search solved find recipes back in the early 2000s and it's prime example of a thing people have been enshitifying since there's not much to really give people beyond the formula. And sure, every entrepreneur screams "they think they want a formula but really they want an experience" but, no I don't. |
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