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▲ legitster 6 hours ago

I think I would push back on the idea that credit and debit cards represent a deadweight loss to the economy. Operating a cash business has its own expenses - theft risk (employee or otherwise), handling time, and (most importantly) you are limiting your customer base to only cash. There's a lot of reasons lots of small businesses are going card only.

For good or bad, a lot of studies have confirmed that cards have overwhelmingly increased consumer spending.

I think the far stronger case is that the industry has no actual incentive to fix the underlying fraud that they are charging merchants to fight. They have done a lot of work to institutionalize the problematic infrastructure and make it almost impossible for startups or outsiders to fix.

▲tliltocatl 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Nobody is claiming payment cards adds no value, that'd be absurd. But their cashback programs and other bullshit (see recent itch.io/Steam moral policing story) certainly adds no value.

▲legitster 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's one of the claims in the attached news articles.

▲jibalt 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The top comment here does, but it's stupid and off topic.

▲tliltocatl 5 hours ago | parent [-]

If I'm reading it correctly, the top comment is arguing that having electronic payments run by for-profit entities adds no value. Not that electronic payments are useless, rather that these should be a state-run service. Which is one way to solve this I guess (not that it will help moral policing stuff much, but at least no more robbing poor Paul to reward rich Peter).

▲ninth_ant 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I think I would push back on the idea that credit and debit cards represent a deadweight loss to the economy

It’s the anticompetitive actions causing the deadweight loss, not the digital nature of transactions.

▲teeray 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> For good or bad, a lot of studies have confirmed that cards have overwhelmingly increased consumer spending.

There is a lot of psychological awareness created when you have to pull a couple singles vs. a Benjamin out of your wallet vs tap card for all amounts.