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▲ PaulDavisThe1st 6 hours ago

Not just disputes. Also absorbing some significant part of the cost of fraud.

▲convolvatron 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

this process of giving out your 'secrets' (ccn, exp, ccv, zip) to tens of people a day with no other real authentication is inexcusably insecure. and instead of trying to get on top of the problem for real (like an hsm), we have this very half-assed fraud detection and chargeback mechanism that costly, ineffective, and seems to just bury the real issues behind a facade of concern. its been decades that this has been going on, I remain confused as to what incentives the banks have to continue to prop up this farce.

▲xmprt 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I've used chargebacks much more often because of services not rendered than because of a lost card or because of stolen credentials.

▲Symbiote 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The chip on a credit or debit card is an HSM.

▲leni536 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And mostly irrelevant for online payments.

▲mahboi 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Their solution to that was a "security code" also printed on the card, lol

▲thayne 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The number printed on the card, and the magnetic strip are not.

▲charcircuit 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>with no other real authentication

Nowadays for the first purchase for a merchant it can require me to hold my card to my phone to prove that I have physical ownership of the card.

▲mahboi 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It's not common and usually doesn't benefit the customer to do that

▲izacus 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any links for this? Since the abusive practices towards their users should already eliminate most of frauds that isn't caused by the actual banks themselves.

▲user3939382 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> the cost of fraud

Fraud in modern financial systems is kind of.. funny? obvious? Local banks who know who Bob is can't make enough money due to scale, we'll scale that system to a national level with millions of participants. How will we do that? Bob is now customer 11,476,112. Oh no this anonymous number we created cheated us because we didn't know who he was, what do we do? Charge Bob and everyone else for the cost of this, our scaled up business model wouldn't work otherwise. We'll skim 3% off of every financial transaction infinitely, so that after our $100 virtual bill has changed hands 30 times it has disappeared into our coffers.