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▲ WarmWash 6 hours ago

The US is biased to favor the top half of society. Hence why there is a lot of vocal poorer people and a lot of low profile wealthier people (I'm not including the 1% or even the 5% in this).

When you are in the 75%ish of the US, it's very easy to make a case that life in the US is better. But we don't really talk about that because it's pretty taboo when poorer people are struggling much more than they would in Europe.

▲jandrewrogers 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Almost half of US households earn $100k+ now. The median American is affluent by European standards. The "middle class" of Europe and America has become less comparable over time because median incomes have significantly diverged. You see it in many aspects of lifestyle and the kinds of things they can afford to buy.

20 years ago this was not the case. The minimum wage in some parts of the US is now higher than the average wage in most of Europe.

The US has a population that will always struggle to survive without government assistance. Per multiple US statistical agencies that is about 10-15% of households.

▲IlikeMadison an hour ago | parent [-]

>The minimum wage in some parts of the US is now higher than the average wage in most of Europe.

definitely not in Western Europe.

▲will4274 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Poor people in America (25th percentile) have more money that middle class people (50th percentile) in Europe. This wasn't true 20 years ago.

▲preg_match 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Money is one thing, quality of life is another. Also money alone isn’t even a fair comparison because stuff costs different amounts across countries.

▲eloisant an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You have to look at purchasing power parity.

A bigger salary is no good if you have nothing left after paying housing, groceries, bills, education, healthcare...

▲broptimist 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is untrue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_pe...

Median wealth per adult has the USA at #28, below Italy, Spain, Slovenia, and Portugal.

▲will4274 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Income is the relevant metric. Most poor people (worldwide) have negligible savings.

USA 25th percentile 28k to 30k EU-27 50th percentile 24k to 26k.

▲jbs789 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This comment contradicts your earlier comment though, where you mentioned “poor people have”, a clear reference to wealth rather than earnings.

▲satvikpendem 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In the US people don't say "has money" as meaning net worth, they are generally talking about spendable money ie a paycheck unless you're talking about someone super rich who "has money" or "comes from money."

▲will4274 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> a clear reference to wealth rather than earnings.

No, sorry, it isn't. People commonly use the phrase "has money" to refer to income in American English.

▲broptimist 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is moving the goalposts. You said "have more money than."

▲will4274 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes. Spendable money. Income. The common meaning of the phrase among non-rich people.

▲jittles 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And yet the poorest 25th percentile of Americans are not enjoying a better quality of life than the European middle class. If those numbers are accurate, all they tell us is that personal wealth is an even worse indicator of having a life worth living than we would have thought 20 years ago.

▲femtozer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

more money but what about access to healthcare, education, vacation?

▲WarmWash 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's a shrinking issue once you get out of the bottom ~50%, and a non-issue once you get above ~75%.

Again, the deal with the US is that the rich live better and the poor live worse. Or put another way; people who make money get to keep more, and people who don't make money are given less.

Because there are so many more people who have money, and because those people like living comfortably, available healthcare and education is world class. Make sure not to read that as "All healthcare and education", it's "available healthcare and education".

Generally people who are earning a lot don't care as much about vacation, but every white collar job will generally give at least a standard 15 days off and 10 holidays. Ironically as you move up you are generally given more vacation while actually using less.

▲whatsThisBtn4 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think we are seeing the decline of even this. The European debt crisis, the United States security umbrella being disinterested in Europe, austerity, increasing retirement age, an inability to defend Ukraine without the United States. The running gag they don't have AC...

Even poor populations worldwide have access to the 3 things you described, but the quality is lower.

European decline has been mentioned since the 1930s.

▲jandrewrogers 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Poor people in the US have fully subsidized healthcare and education.

Americans don't have vacation in the same way Scandinavian countries don't have a minimum wage. Even the most left-leaning States in the US have not written it into law because it is effectively addressed by custom. Americans are sufficiently happy with it that vacation isn't a political topic.

▲IlikeMadison an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Imagine being so bitter you are lying this much. Wow.

▲ragall 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not 75%, more like 95%. Only about the top 5% have a chance of a better life than the equivalent in Europe.