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▲ Nature's capacity to 'bounce back' when species are lost is vastly overestimated(phys.org)
60 points by pseudolus 2 hours ago | 20 comments
▲comrade1234 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think what happened to the cod fishery off North America is really interesting. They overfished the cod then decided to regulate the fishery to let the population come back. But it never recovered - the cod population is stable but at a much lower number. Other 'stuff' (other fish species, jellyfish, etc) had moved into the environmental niche that the cod were in.

▲b3lvedere 7 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Example regarding clams: https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/pearl-buttons-muscatin...

▲bpodgursky 7 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

They never actually stopped fishing it though. It's regulated at a level to prevent 100% collapse, there was never political support to let it truly recover by banning fishing for a decade or two.

▲zhivota an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had always assumed this, and my idea of nature bouncing back was more on the millions of years time scale as evolution would result in the refilling of empty ecological niches.

All that said I still think we should just extinct disease carrying mosquitoes.

▲sarreph 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I always find the silver fox domestication experiment[0] an interesting point about how much smaller evolutionary timescales can be than expected.

[0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domesticated_silver_fox

▲Avicebron 5 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure we should get rid of the diseases, but what about the niche mosquitos serve as food for birds, bats, etc?

▲themaninthedark 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are differing views on evolution, between slow and gradual and punctual equilibrium( a sudden breakthrough that triggers a biological arms race), this article is looking more at the very short term and saying if a species goes extinct another species does not immediately or fully occupy the space...which I guess needs to be stated but I would think that it was already understood...

The article is more focused on oceanic and coastal diversity but I agree about the mosquitoes.

▲s08148692 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah the news for me here is that people thought nature could "bounce back" on a human timescale. Any human lifespan is just the blink of an eye to nature

▲NoHedgeAllBets 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> All that said I still think we should just extinct disease carrying mosquitoes.

I'm doing my part

▲b3lvedere 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Spaceship Trooper or Helldiver? :)

▲Kichererbsen an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> All that said I still think we should just extinct disease carrying mosquitoes.

The modern version of Carthage should be destroyed.

▲micromacrofoot 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, we often see the history of earth's ecosystem through a geological timescale... human scale is almost light speed by comparison.

▲Fricken 31 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Nature is not harmonious, it is in constant flux. Saying it can bounce back implies there some state of equilibrium for it to bounce back to. I guess there's no reason why it can't bounce forward.

▲micromacrofoot 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Right, we know deserts weren't always deserts, systems collapse.

▲Joel_Mckay 37 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

"Saving the Planet" (George Carlin)

https://youtu.be/7W33HRc1A6c?si=HqyW8mys0uNBuFdW&t=147

Humorous, but not inaccurate about what climate change means to primates. =3

▲flowerthoughts 25 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That was a pointless source. Which 23 categories? How do I know if I care about them?

Fig. 2 [1] lists them. Fig. 3 I think indicates that 20 of them have positive effect size on biodiversity, which I think was the point. "Learning and inspiration" is an interesting category. Carbon sequestration ranks high, with Terrestrial (as opposed to the larger Oceanic) having quite a few studies behind it.

1. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-026-03200-4

▲goda90 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This doesn't mean we shouldn't make every effort to re-wild places. It'll slow or even prevent the loss of at-risk species and introduce resilience to ecosystems against the onslaught of climate change.

▲themaninthedark 33 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I feel like we should do our best to not destroy the environment, for altruistic reasons but also for the very selfish reason that I have children and relatives with children so I want to leave them with a place they can live in and enjoy not a mess they have to deal with.

I think we have made great strides at saving some near extinct species, the kakapo for example, but we can do better.

Reading the title, I was ready to come in with arguments about the Cambrian explosion and different timescales, the article it's self however is not really talking about things along those lines, it is talking about the short(or very short) term where we assume that once species will easily take up a niche that was occupied by another if one goes extinct. Which I believe is looking at things on the wrong timescale, even if we assume punctuated equilibrium rather than gradual evolution.

▲mempko 10 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We are in the 6th mass extinction event. Want to feel bad? Look at the numbers of decline in the last 40 years, it's dramatic. Even in my lifetime it's been dramatic.

▲hncbw02z5a an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Did stream restoration for a few years and the thing that stuck with me is you can put the habitat back and the species still don't return. Some of them just have nowhere left to come from.