> Also, Cloudflare implicitly screws over everyone by leaking data to the NSA

I have always operated under the assumption that every cloud provider and telco does this, so this claim has always seemed very silly to me.

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OutOfHere 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Huh. When you don't use a man-in-the-middle service, you don't have this problem. When you host on a cloud vendor, you don't have this problem because you control the HTTPS certificate and don't leak it to the MITM. The assumption as such seems silly to me.

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esseph an hour ago | parent [-]

Your DNS lookups and IPs in use provide a lot of info. It's not always the data inside an encryption layer that is the most important.

That said, these are US companies subject to FISA court orders and NSLs or National Security Letters. If they want your data, they can just pull it from memory in real time or pull it directly from the hypervisor and dump it wherever they're instructed to. Any idea that your data is protected because you're not even using a provider WAF or doing TLS termination for load balancing is a fantasy.

	▲	OutOfHere 36 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		> Your DNS lookups Please. I control which DNS server I use. It is not relevant to the matter at hand. > If they want your data, they can just pull it from memory in real time or pull it directly from the hypervisor and dump it wherever they're instructed to. You're confusing bulk data collection with selective court-ordered data collection. The two are not alike. Attempting to equate them is a dumb attempt at deception on your part. There is no obligation for a firm to share all web data with the NSA.