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▲ DerGalaxy 8 hours ago

must be sarcasm. must be

▲flanked-evergl 7 hours ago | parent [-]

If Europe was not a vassal of the US why do we refuse to stand on our own legs? Why is almost every decision of ours predicated on US participation? Europe will give guarantees to Ukraine but only if USA puts boots on the ground. Europe will secure the Hormuz straight but only once USA has secured it. It's pathetic and embarrassing.

Europe shut down more than 20 Diesel refineries in the past 20 years and then we cry that Diesel is too expensive and blame the Americans. Pathetic.

Our industrial and energy policy is that we will become completely dependent on the Middle East, US, Russia and China so we have absolutely no autonomy and no viability. Embarrassing. Pathetic. Shameful.

▲palata 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Europe will secure the Hormuz straight but only once USA has secured it.

Wasn't the Hormuz straight perfectly fine before the USA decided to... well do whatever they did?

▲flanked-evergl 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Europe destroyed domestic energy production and oil and gas extraction in order to make itself entirely dependent first on Russia, then on the Middle East for energy. It was not the Jews or the Americans that forced us to do that. It was our politicians that we elected that did that. And for what? How does it benefit us? Now everyone is crying about insane fossil fuel prices after our policy for more than a decade was to make fossil fuel non-viable. Pathetic.

▲randomNumber7 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> It was not the Jews or the Americans that forced us to do that.

The americans kind of forced you off the russian gas though

> Now everyone is crying about insane fossil fuel prices after our policy for more than a decade was to make fossil fuel non-viable. Pathetic.

I think its not only fossil fuel. Germany's decision to shut down nuclear power plants (while also trying to get to net zero C02 emissions) is outright suicidal imo.

▲palata 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Well Europe doesn't have more fossil fuels to extract, does it?

▲flanked-evergl 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Absolutely false.

▲palata 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Does Europe have enough gas and oil to extract that it would be profitable and allow them to rely significantly less on importing them?

▲flanked-evergl 4 hours ago | parent [-]

If Europe did not stop issuing licences and if we did not ban exploration, then we could probably be extracting close to double the amount of crude domestically compared to what we are currently extracting. If we did not ban fracking we could also be extracting significantly more Gas domestically. If Germany did not switch from nuclear to gas then we would also have lower demand in fossil fuels. If we went for the only viable green energy source we have, which is Nuclear we could have also significantly reduced our dependence on fossil fuels.

Instead, we went in for the Green energy scam which has not made our energy cheaper or more reliable and has not significantly reduced fossil fuel dependence and has made us totally dependent on the foreign suppliers and manufacturers. We don't even want to produce the windmills and solar panels domestically.

All of this is insane, and if the US stops underwriting our security we cannot survive. Yes sure, the European economy is better than Russia's economy, but most people in Europe has no interest in fighting in a defensive war, so if Russia with the backing of China actually does challenge us we are likely done for. Russia's money also stretches much further than ours, and they don't have to worry about their approval ratings if they mobilize their military because they are not a democracy. No German government will remain in power if they mobilize.

And let's not forget that our Nuclear umbrella providers, France and the UK, both seems on the brink of internal collapse with repeated riots and high levels of disaffection by the vast swathes of their imported populations that feel absolutely no sense of belonging with the host population and countries, and high levels of resentment and disgruntlement of the native populations with the utter failure of centre-left governance.

I really don't understand how anyone seriously believes that if the US withdraws support for Europe that France and the UK will actually go to war to defend any other European country, never mind themselves. They are much more likely to just immediately collapse internally.

All of this is deeply shameful, and it was us Europeans that chose this vassalage. We have to start choosing better. We can be the dominant power in the world. We can be the hegemony, a much better one than the US, if we get serious and choose it.

▲palata 30 minutes ago | parent [-]

> then we could probably be extracting close to double the amount of crude domestically compared to what we are currently extracting

So doubling... roughly nothing? Europe is importing almost all its oil and gas, right?

> If we went for the only viable green energy source we have, which is Nuclear

Well I do agree that it was unfortunate that Germany (and others) actively avoided nuclear power. Though it's nice that renewables are improving, too.

> if Russia with the backing of China actually does challenge us we are likely done for

Really? Russia has been fighting Ukraine for years. You're saying that Russia can easily beat a much larger part of Europe? How?

> France and the UK, both seems on the brink of internal collapse with repeated riots

Times are hard. Germany does not look that good with AfD, if you ask me.

> high levels of disaffection by the vast swathes of their imported populations that feel absolutely no sense of belonging with the host population and countries, and high levels of resentment and disgruntlement of the native populations with the utter failure of centre-left governance.

Not sure where you're going, this sounds racist.

> if the US withdraws support for Europe that France and the UK will actually go to war to defend any other European country

When did the US last go to war to defend any European country again?

> We can be the dominant power in the world

Is that the goal? I just want to live in peace.

▲ctolsen 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Diesel prices are high because of the Americans, blaming them is entirely correct.

▲flanked-evergl 7 hours ago | parent [-]

If Europe did not shut down 30 refineries since 2009 the premium of Disel over crude oil would be a lot lower than it is today: https://x.com/BjornLomborg/status/2105736980072153328

If Europe did not shut down domestic energy production and oil and gas extraction in order to buy oil and gas from Russia then oil and gas would be a lot cheaper today.

Blaming the Americans for what we did to ourselves is insane and rooted in deep ignorance of what actually happened in Europe in the past two decades.

But yet again this just shows how totally dependent we in Europe are on Americans for everything. Pathetic.

▲randomNumber7 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Our industrial and energy policy is that we will become completely dependent on the Middle East, US, Russia and China so we have absolutely no autonomy and no viability. Embarrassing. Pathetic. Shameful.

Germany shutting down nuclear and coal powered plants was their own decision. I kind of agree with your evaluation, but confusingly it seems like they want it like that (?)