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▲ intrasight 8 hours ago

> The question, however, is whether what they are designed for is the future I am barreling towards, one where agentic abstraction both renders traditional interfaces relics

I think he was burying the lede but glad he finally posed the question.

I think it's a bigger risk factor for Apple than is generally assumed. If consumers get used to the freedom but endemic spying of products like Muse, Apple may have a hard time sticking to their privacy and security mandate.

▲GeekyBear 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

From Apple's statement, they want to be sure users understand that they are handing Meta access to all of their personal data if they grant Muse (or other AI agents) the full-disk access permission.

> Some developers are using Full Disk Access in ways that could put users at risk, exposing everything on their systems—including files, mail, messages, and even browsing history—without users’ full knowledge and understanding. For communication apps, this can also compromise the privacy of the people users are communicating with.

As AI agents become increasingly capable and autonomous, the risks associated with this level of access will grow substantially. We are committed to ensuring users clearly understand these risks before granting such access, so they can make informed decisions about their own data and privacy.

▲intrasight 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> the risks associated with this level of access will grow substantially.

This is not going to end well for everyone involved - especially for the user.

But that's the case on all platforms with any LLM agent being given full access.

There will be an adjustment period where users will learn of the risks - hopefully without much harm occurring.

▲rickdeckard 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> "We are committed to ensuring users clearly understand these risks before granting such access"

This "you are entering the wilderness, I will not be able to protect you anymore if you proceed" framing reminds me of the alternative AppStore case, where Apple (and Google) applied scare-tactics in the UI to discourage users from giving permissions to alternative stores.

▲alt227 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> scare-tactics in the UI

This is the only weapon they have when governments have forced them to open their doors to the scary world outside.

▲brigade 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Or the scary warnings today against disabling SIP, repeated by forum users anywhere it’s discussed.

Which happens to be the only way to disable the TCC permission dialogs OP complains about. Guess the warnings worked well enough that no one knows that anymore.

▲alt227 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I know SIP as a telephony protocol, what are you referring to here?

▲GeekyBear 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> System Integrity Protection is a security technology designed to help prevent potentially malicious software from modifying protected files and folders on your Mac. System Integrity Protection restricts the root user account and limits the actions that the root user can perform on protected parts of the Mac operating system.

Before System Integrity Protection, the root user had no permission restrictions, so it could access any system folder or app on your Mac. Software obtained root-level access when you entered your administrator name and password to install the software. That allowed the software to modify or overwrite any system file

https://support.apple.com/en-us/102149

▲alt227 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Thank you. I see its an Apple thing which is why I guess I havent heard of it.

▲GeekyBear 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Windows File Protection is in the same vein.

▲j16sdiz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There are no much user can do once they "clearly understand these risk".

The risk of having human assistant can be mitigated by background check, insurance and legal recourse. We have none of these for AI agents.

▲rickdeckard 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's the constant risk for Apple that its customer base voluntarily invites any company to interact with them directly, because it's Apple's prerogative to broker the access to its users.

So as always, for the sake of "privacy" Apple needs to take action to protect the users from "themselves", and make it undesirable to grant others the same access Apple has...

▲coastalpuma 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In that case, it will be their own dang fault. Modern MacOS is a mess of update nags, unwanted notifications, and permissions prompts. We want sandboxing and security patches but the UX around it is abominable.