| ▲ | edent 2 hours ago |
| I just want a two-seater EV. The Smart ForTwo hasn't been updated in ages and the only other ones are either quadracycles of vapourware. Where are the runarounds for people who don't need to lug around kids or baggage? |
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| ▲ | pqb 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I guess you look for the car like Fiat 500e [0]. It is a two-seater with an electric drive. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_500e |
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| ▲ | lucfranken 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Good looking but also a quite expensive one! If it will be for masses the prices will likely need to become substantially lower. And we need the charging capacity for all those vehicles which is a huge issue. For example in the Netherlands this shows the capacity available to use extra power connections: https://capaciteitskaart.netbeheernederland.nl/capaciteitska... All red. The goals of the environmental improvements should connect with the actual real world available capacity. Otherwise it's just a dream. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > quite expensive Open Autotrader -> Fiat 500e -> New -> First car: https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202506113398641 discounted to £15k. That is just a really cheap car. Even the nominal RRP £23,685 is cheap. If you want cheaper there is Dacia Spring and the cheapest BYD. > The goals of the environmental improvements The Netherlands of all people should understand about sea level rise and the real world capacity available to absorb CO2. | | |
| ▲ | lucfranken 32 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Ah wow, they got down quite a bit already! Here it's around € 20k it seems. Not bad. > The Netherlands of all people should understand about sea level rise and the real world capacity available to absorb CO2. That's interesting! |
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| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The 500 has four seats and is available in 3 or 5 doors! If you want a really small car, which Americans don't, there's the Topolino. | |
| ▲ | Xenoamorphous 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a 4 seater no? Even if the rear seats are small. | | |
| ▲ | pqb an hour ago | parent [-] | | Technically yes - it is a 3-door car with two seats behind the driver. However, in my experience only small persons or kids will enjoy sitting on the rear seats. I recall that the rear seats were good as an extra space for the backpacks or shopping bags. |
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| ▲ | blitzar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Fiat Topolino / Citroën Ami / Honda Super-N |
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| ▲ | Skwid 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Possibly not what you're after, and possibly not available to you even then, but there is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MG_Cyberster |
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| ▲ | mrweasel an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Weirdly enough, when these smaller two seaters show up, they are almost always overprice and getting a four seater, and just not using backseats, are a better deal. E.g. the Microlino is €20K, so why not just get the Citroen ë-C3, it's the same price, with better range? |
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| ▲ | the_duke 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I guess the target market is small, otherwise more options would exist. If you buy a car anyway, might as well pay a bit more and get one that is useful in more situations. |
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| ▲ | Mashimo 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think battery size is also an issue. | | |
| ▲ | the_duke an hour ago | parent [-] | | But there are very few small gasoline cars as well, even in Europe. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Quite a lot of Fiat 500s around me in the UK, as well as various species of Mini. But you can see the bloat even there. There's the Fiat 500X, which is a "SUV crossover" (the hilarious concept of a large small car), and the Mini Countryman. |
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| ▲ | zdragnar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Crash safety design features are a decent contributor to cost. I suspect manufacturers think shrinking the frame a bit, removing two doors and back seat won't drop the cost enough to convince people to buy them. |
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| ▲ | a-french-anon an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Electric Miata when? |
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| ▲ | enaaem an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There is the Fiat Topolino if you are ok with a pure city car. |
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| ▲ | moffkalast an hour ago | parent [-] | | I get that it's supposed to be a low speed city car where parking ease maybe matters more, but it's hilarious to see an EV where every newton of drag matters designed like a rounded brick on wheels. In fact most modern cars except for sedans seem to not give two shits about aero anymore which is leaving so much range on the table. | | |
| ▲ | pjc50 39 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The Topolino is a type approval hack: it's an "electric quadricycle", ie legally a golf cart, and limited to 28mph in the UK and not allowed on motorways. There's been a few of these like the Renault Twizy, and the limitations make them a gimmick that doesn't sell very well. |
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| ▲ | vinni2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Smart ForTwo Has been discontinued no? |
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| ▲ | d--b 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Apparently, someone heard you: https://uk.smart.com/en/models/hashtag-two/ |
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