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▲ ryandrake an hour ago

Reminds me of all the de-crufting you've always needed to do when you install Windows. Looks like we've gotten to the point on macOS too, where you need to run third party scripts on a new OS installation to gain back control of your system resources and remove unwanted crapware.

▲2muchcoffeeman an hour ago | parent | next [-]

On windows you got garbage like trial versions of Blah software.

This is a fully functioning feature that people don’t like for what ever reason.

▲Grombobulous an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Automatically downloading AI models into disk space with no user-facing way to turn it off is especially hostile considering Apple as vendor of both the OS and the hardware is the same entity that overcharges for non-upgradable SSD storage in their machines.

▲penskymaterial 38 minutes ago | parent [-]

They'll rent you more iCloud space when you fill up the SSD. That's good, holistic customer service.

▲stingraycharles 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

That doesn’t work unless you’re actually able to offload stuff from disk, which is only the case when you store stuff in your iCloud Drive / photos / etc.

Case in point: the AI models can’t be offloaded to iCloud.

▲penskymaterial 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

Maybe someone can explain why their SSDs, when not soldered down, are a proprietary form factor and can't be replaced with a standard M.2 device?

▲theodric 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

To gain the same effect as one that is soldered down, while giving themselves a simpler portfolio of assemblies and a cheaper FRU to swap in the event of failure.

▲isityettime an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

People have been doing the same thing with Cortana on Windows for ages. "Debloating" tools don't primarily target OEM add-ons like free trials of this or that; they very much target Windows components.

▲hansonkd an hour ago | parent [-]

Cortana was heavily integrated with bing. It was essentially a way to get people to use bing.

▲2III7 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Fully functional feature consuming multiple gigabytes of storage and has questionable functional value. Maybe people don't want bloated AI crap on their desktops?

▲2muchcoffeeman an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’m not making any judgement on whether you should or should not like the feature.

I’m stating that the Windows problem was very different. Your machine would be loaded up with software for various vendors that the manufacturer did deals with to lower the price of the machine. They were all trials.

▲buran77 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I’m stating that the Windows problem was very different. [...] They were all trials.

Except it isn't and they weren't. MS Windows never came with trials, it came with shortcuts. OEMs bundled with their Windows image more of their (crap) full software than trials.

And to this day debloating tools are tasked with removing full MS bundled (or auto installed) software like Teams, Outlook, DevHome, Copilot, M365, Recall, etc. So exactly the same problem as Apple Intelligence. Whether you consider it useful is up to you. Whether it's bundled is up to Apple.

▲Stitch4223 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

“Some people” arguments always hold true.

Old classmates back in the day used to hate the 128 × 128 px icons macOS shipped. A waste of space for eye candy.

12 GB is at most 4.68% of your Mac. Improving on Apple Intelligence is something of value, as is consumerizing local-first AI.

We’re not talking adware here.

▲verandaguy 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

    > Improving on Apple Intelligence is something of value
Not if you didn't use apple intelligence in the first place (and/or aren't interested in using it going forward).

    > as is consumerizing local-first AI
If and only if there is actual demand for it. If most users do not want this, it's a bad feature.
▲penskymaterial 40 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This simply isn't true.

Trial versions are installed by the OEMs so that's not a Windows problem.

Microsoft has given you the tools (Group Policy) for the last 25+ years to customize most of this.

My last install of Windows 11 was shockingly frustrating but with a little patience and discipline it's customized to Windows 7 levels of sanity using nothing but out of the box tools. Shockingly, it works better than writing angry blog posts about it.

They have to give you a choice because they have surly enterprise customers who would be upset otherwise.

▲ramijames an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just don't use it. I'm on a laptop with 500gb. I don't want to lose on so much disk space for a feature I won't use.

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▲burnte an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

On Windows there are lots of fully features features/applications people turn off. It's not all trial versions and it's disingenuous to pretend it's just that.

▲dsego an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

IE is also a fully functioning feature, so are snap packages.

▲nalekberov an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"fully functioning feature" -- more like fully functioning forceware/crapware which holds significant space.

So, it's not for "what ever reason", it's quite a reason to reject this.

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▲drooopy 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not gonna lie, I would like a "Black Edition" of macOS. There is a decent OS buried under tons of rubble.

▲ozgrakkurt 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Recently switched to KDE on a linux laptop (600 USD lenovo) and stopped using my macbook (m1 16" pro).

Speakers, touchpad and battery life are inferior. Speakers are OK after installing EasyEffects and I don't use the touchpad while programming. And battery life is close enough

Cachyos with KDE is 10x better than MacOS. So it doesn't make sense to use macbooks for programming anymore IMO.

You can't even see the update download speed or progress percentage on MacOS, and have to approve 3 times to run a downloaded program, brew is terrible in terms of performance etc. etc. etc.

▲Pesthuf 4 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Or a server version. I have an M1 Mac mini as my home server and it really feels like I'm fighting the fact that it's a desktop OS with a GUI and full of components that really, really, really can't deal with being run on a headless system. Not much fun when your super efficient ARM processor suddenly uses 100% CPU for 6 days straight because WindowServer and CoreAudio are having a panic attack due to being unable to find any outputs.

And so much useless crap you can't turn off without disabling SIP, which it doesn't feel like you're meant to, because who knows what daemon will bring down the entire system when another it expects to be there isn't…

▲gchamonlive an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This will always be the case with proprietary software, invariably. Just a matter of time.

▲azinman2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What makes you call it crapware? The new spotlight search (from Siri) is amazing and super convenient.

▲lynndotpy an hour ago | parent | next [-]

The new spotlight search replaced what I previously used, made it function worse for what I used it for, and uses 30GiB of already very scarce disk space.

For many users, it is a strict downgrade that was forced on them against their consent.

▲adastra22 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t want to make my search more ambiguous. That is the opposite of what I want.

▲ianm218 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

The existing search on macOS was almost completely useless to be fair

▲dreamcompiler 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

Spotlight search has sucked from Day 1 of OSX. You need to use Find Any File [0] or some equivalent tool if you want to search the actual file system without being limited by Spotlight's never-properly-updated "index."

The functionality of Find Any File was built in to Mac OS 9 and earlier. It was rock-solid reliable. So of course Apple removed it and now to get reliable search you have to use a third-party tool. Or 'find' in the Terminal.

[0] https://findanyfile.app/

▲therein an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Can it now consistently find things in /Applications when I type the full name?

That's revolutionary.

▲trollbridge 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

No.

I made my own “pseudo spotlight” and mapped it to ⌘-Space specifically for this. It just goes against old fashioned locate/updatedb, but with a very quick check against /Applications first + running the search query through bc and if it’s valid syntax, showing the math result.

▲ant6n 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We have arrived at the Windows Vista era for Mac OS.

▲penskymaterial 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

Vista had an undeserved bad rep IMO, it was an important 1.0 milestone for many new technologies and improvements especially in the security model. It effectively was a beta of Windows 7, with 7 being Microsoft's "Snow Leopard".

Windows 11 still ships with the installer from Vista.

▲Smalltalker-80 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

True that, win11debloat is 'mandatory' nowadays. The time that OS makers competed with each other with features users actually wanted is long gone, alas.. This is why Linux is now making more serious momentum. Even a long term 'Microsoftie' like myself is now standing on the brink of making the leap. Just a bit more Steam compatibility first please...

▲ChickeNES 21 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Mandatory for what? I run stock Win11 for the most part, haven’t have had any real issues with it. I think I disabled/modified a few mouse hotspots and key combos, and that’s been about it. Sure during major updates there’s the “buy our shit” rigmarole, but at this point I just click through and then forget about it for another month or two. Annoying yes, but compared to actual annoyances in my life…I just can’t be bothered to care or get mad, to be honest.

▲skydhash an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I got an old disk with a win10 installation on it. It lasted only three days. It was because of all the pinging from notifications and all the CTA buttons (like Sign in to Onedrive in the settings). It felt like a minefield where a click can blow your whole setup.

I wipe the whole thing and installed Fedora.

I could tolerate windows if I needed a particular set of software on it, but no way that I could use it as a daily driver.