> Just stick to proven fixtures, and let me put my own choice of bulbs in it!

LED retrofit bulbs (Edison screws) are just shit no matter what - your choice will basically almost always be inferior to something that can be integrated into a fan by virtue of the technology.

Down-facing light from ceiling fans is also just bad, even on a $2000 Big Ass Fans Haiku. Central-point overhead lighting is displeasing.

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BeetleB a day ago | parent [-]

You're not wrong - but what do I do when the light is not bright enough (hint - almost all of them are not bright enough for my needs)?

And how many of them can I control with SmartThings, etc?

With my own bulbs, I can have it how I want it. I pick the fan based on the fan's capabilities, and not worry about the light.

> Central-point overhead lighting is displeasing.

No arguments there, but most houses/apartments in the US are built in this brain dead way. When I lived abroad, it was much better. The lights were always on the walls - often opposing walls. This way, light is coming more at an angle downwards, and you can position chairs/beds/couches such that the light is behind you, and if you're reading a book, the pages are being lit up by it.

	▲	Kirby64 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> You're not wrong - but what do I do when the light is not bright enough (hint - almost all of them are not bright enough for my needs)? Replace the entire LED base with a brighter one if you need more lumens. If you do the same with a standard e26 or candelabra bulb setup, you’ll have the exact same issue with bulb longevity. Brighter bulbs stuffed into the tiny enclosures will absolutely cook.