Weird to buy machine with company actively hostile to anything open to run open stuff

inventor7777 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is Apple taking steps to purposefully blocking open stuff, or are they just pointedly ignoring it and continuing to develop new hardware? I am genuinely asking, I don't know myself.

edit: speaking mostly about macOS here, mobile OSes are much more locked down

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Dylan16807 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

For desktops and laptops, the latter. But for phones and tablets they do not want user control. And even where they do allow it, even a tiny effort in hardware documentation that would make it so much easier never happens. So it's quite hostile overall.

	▲	inventor7777 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yep, good point. Their mobile OSes are annoyingly locked down, that is for sure...

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lmz 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The fact that they still allow this would point towards the latter. They are quite capable of locking it down like they do the iPhones.

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londons_explore 4 hours ago | parent [-]

And I suspect they will lock it down in a year or two.

It was only really open to ease the transition between intel and arm.

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musictubes 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Give it up. People have been predicting this for 15 years.

You can’t have a development machine locked down like iOS. As long as the Mac is the development machine at apple it will need to be able to run arbitrary code.

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londons_explore 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It will still run arbitrary code... Within macos...

But they'll remove support for other OS's

	▲	willy_k 2 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		What support? Asahi had to fight to exist, especially early on when they essentially had to reimplement much of the graphics pipeline. And now its in mainline linux - short of a complete hostile lockdown of the bootloader, it’s not like they support other OS’s very much as is.
	▲	GeekyBear 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		The company making locked down laptops is Google.

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r_lee 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I mean it'd be pretty easy for Apple to just make a special version of the OS/bootloader/whatever for their internal use

	▲	internet2000 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They could. They won't. Macs will never be bootloader locked, on that I'm confident.

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rstupek 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s the latter

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novafunc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had a bad experience with my Lenovo laptop. It had a firmware issue that caused the trackpad to become unresponsive after suspend and Lenovo never fixed it.

Made the laptop miserable to use, so I went for a MacBook instead which wouldn't have such an obvious issue be unfixed because Apple has so few SKUs to support.

Also went for it in part because I do not like Windows and macOS typically would save me when Linux support was lacking. Just had to hope for a quick port of Asahi Linux to become (unfortunately didn't happen for my M3, but thankfully it's been progressing recently).

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procone 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think you might be forgetting where you are. They call it "Hacker News" for a reason.

	▲	mahboi 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Yep. There's a post somewhere here about someone running Mac OS X on a Nintendo Wii. That's closed software on closed hardware.