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▲ harpersealtako 7 hours ago

Nowadays we'd call that "engineer's disease". I wonder how many potential Von Neumanns were discouraged from branching out into other fields by jealous gatekeepers who assume that any interest in their field by "outsiders", especially technical people, is "epistemic trespassing".

▲cycomanic 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I have yet to meet a (academic) researcher that doesn't like to talk about their research topic if somebody comes and is genuinely interested. I mean most work on a topic that has maybe another 10-100 people in the world who are interested.

The problem is that instead most people to come to them are either obvious crackpots, who think they have solved cancer (energy...) and contact the person because they are a biologist, physicist ... (on a completely unrelated topic usually). Or they come from a place of arrogance, i.e. "we do ... like this, our method is clearly superior you should adopt it", or even worse here buy our clearly superior method.

▲harpersealtako 5 hours ago | parent [-]

An example I can think of off the top of my head is Luis Alvarez, the nobel physicist who came up with the asteroid impact theory of dinosaur extinction. The geology and paleontology community shunned him until the 90s when the Chicxulub crater was discovered (though geology is historically infamous for this, to the extent that nearly every important paradigm shift in geology was made by non-geologist outsiders who faced ridicule for their theories)

▲lalalandland 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For every von Neumann you probably have thousands if not millions of crack pots with ideas not worth wasting time on. So I understand the scepticism

▲hnfong 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If people are assigned a "gatekeeping" position, they should at least be expected to be able to tell great minds from crack pots. (As opposed to just blindly applying a statistical filter)

Otherwise why not just replace them with a script (or these days, an AI)

▲alwa 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Isn’t history replete with examples of great minds who were received as crackpots until, after careers’ worth of labor to validate them, some of their crazy ideas turned out to be correct?

▲qlte 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

In this context "gatekeeper" is often defined as broadly as "any individual academic or researcher receiving a cold email".

▲amunozo 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

E.g., economics.

▲IAmBroom 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I've literally never met a person who didn't consider themselves economically knowledgeable.

It's like an analog to the fact that almost all people consider themselves funny.

▲ahazred8ta an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Nothing is more fairly distributed than common sense: no one thinks he needs more of it than he already has. -- Descartes

▲cindyllm 2 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲chucksmash 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Seems to me it's less about gatekeepers and more whether what you bring to the table is useful to people in that field.

If somebody truly believes they have a useful model then they don't discouraged by academic gatekeeping, they go and build Time Cube.

▲jltsiren 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Usually that's because the engineer is not a very good engineer, at least outside their specialty. If they had studied engineering more, they would have probably learned that other engineers are already doing the thing they proposed.

"Using methodology from a field known for its focus on methodology in another field" was still a novel idea in von Neumann's time. But because von Neumann and others did it, and because millions of people entered science after them, most combinations like that have already been tried. Breakthroughs from combining ideas from unrelated fields require something little less obvious these days.

▲KylerAce 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If someone is equal in talent to Von Neumann it's probably extremely difficult to discourage them enough via gatekeeping to stop them from making progress.

▲bmitc 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's highly unlikely, I think, that another Von Neumann was prevented. He was a singular genius.

However, the gatekeeping you mention definitely occurs to mere mortals who might have an interesting bend on existing ideas.