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▲ simianwords 3 hours ago

Most people who oppose AI don’t oppose it because it’s so good it can replace us. They oppose it because, in their own words, they think it’s hype and it doesn’t work. The first step is to collectively agree that yes, AI is powerful and it can replace us at work. Then we can speak about how to protect livelihood. How does one even have a discussion when the other side doesn’t even believe in the capabilities of AI?

Edit: not sure why I'm being downvoted because there are replies literally taking the exact position that I'm saying is more prevalent.

▲poulpy123 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not opposing AI per se since I'm using it, but I'm not blind to the danger and I actually do believe we will be worse than better with it in the long term. Anyway both opinions are right: I think that AI is massively overhyped, and is worse than the AI overlord pretends, but it's still good enough to massively affect the employment, especially with the overhype. I also believe that the privatisation of all human knowledge and culture by a handful of companies is very bad. And finally, the day they make an AI able to reason ( or even before if it happens that enough data is enough to replace reasoning for most tasks) is the day 99.99% of humanity will be considered as useless

▲rcxdude an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is a bit of a goomba fallacy going on, not everyone who is anti-AI is against it for the same reason. But from my own experience, I find people who are against it for reasons of it devaluing their labor also tend to take the view that it doesn't really work, but this latter half tends to be a bit of motivated reasoning (in the general trend that if you are against something you will be more inclined to believe every argument that it is bad even if some of those arguments are pretty weak).

▲bojan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> They oppose it because, in their own words, they think it’s hype and it doesn’t work.

This was maybe true a year ago, but is certainly not true any more.

The laments these days almost always begin with the assertion that the AI does work.

Mostly it's about funneling even more wealth into the hands of the richest and the incredible environmental penalty.

▲BrenBarn an hour ago | parent [-]

For me it's more that it doesn't matter whether it works or not, because funneling that wealth into those hands is reason enough to stop it in either case.

▲wartywhoa23 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

The discourse of "AI does work vs doesn't" is carefully designed to make people fail to get to the root, kudos for not failing for it.

▲Ambolia 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It certainly works for software, but we may be hitting diminishing returns on software. You may argue it's been a social net negative for a decade.

▲kakacik 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I 'oppose' Ai for exactly the reasons parent mentions, seems like most common folks over long term will lose much more than they could ever gain from it. Societal loss by definition, on massive scale.

Don't reduce opposition to something you like to some primitive irrational luddites, thats cheap and doesn't represent reality.

▲simianwords 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I respectfully disagree. Everyone I speak to in my circle, as well as in HN oppose AI because it is sold as much more capable than it actually is.

I asked ChatGPT to sample comments in HN without bias and find out which mode of opposition is more popular. Here's what it said

https://chatgpt.com/share/6abf5e0e-c45c-83eb-a3f6-b676b08f13...

>“AI is overhyped or less useful than claimed” was substantially more prevalent than “AI is genuinely capable and will take people’s jobs.” That held across two random samples of recent HN comments.

To steel-man your position, it is true that Bernie Sanders also opposes AI because it can cause automation. And that my bubble in tech might be biased because it consists of a certain kind of cynical person to think of everything as hype.

▲plastic-enjoyer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wouldn't take that as a given. We don't know how AI will play out or how it will transform our lives. We could look to the industrial revolution to make a prediction, but the political, social and technological conditions today are hard to compare with those of Victorian England.

What AI lacks, I think, is a positive vision. The narrative is dictated by a small Silicon Valley subculture that unfortunately also happens to be a doomsday cult, and it is amplified by a media landscape hungry for the next clickbait headline.

By contrast, people in China seem a lot more relaxed and optimistic about AI. There are worries there too, but not to the same extent as in the West.

▲wartywhoa23 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> By contrast, people in China seem a lot more relaxed and optimistic about AI

People in China also seem relaxed and optimistic about being slaves to the digital panopticon.

▲plastic-enjoyer 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

What do you mean with this?

▲js8 an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It would be interesting to compare the sentiment about AI with sentiment about computers in the 1950s. I think it reflects the stress of precarious employment more than anything else.

▲kombookcha 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"AI is not as good as it is hyped up to be" and "AI is 'good enough' for the overlords to replace some amount of workers, or at least to leverage into depressing their wages significantly and permanently" are not mutually exclusive claims. You don't have to buy the hype to agree that it is dangerous.

A chimp with a gun is not dangerous because of how good a shot he is.

▲alfiedotwtf 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m just waiting for blue chip company boards to start replacing CROs with agents. I’m thinking it will happen within the next 2 years