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▲ the_mitsuhiko 2 hours ago

It is in that sense not integrated with the coding agent. It's just that some things cannot be done with bash alone, at least not as trivially. So if you were asking Pi to utilize Jev, it would not really have the right tools available to make sense of it, even though pi-ai, the underlying library, can make requests to it.

Codemode as a mechanism can expose non LLM functionality to the coding agent. In that sense, Pi does not have a tool for Jev or other classifiers. It just now makes it easier for the agent to utilize it in the same way as it's otherwise quite creative in using bash.

▲charcircuit 2 hours ago | parent [-]

>it would not really have the right tools available

The point of Pi is that the user can tell the agent to improve itself and give it the tools it does need. The minimalism comes from the user creating what they need instead of the maintainers trying to support everything for the users. The fact that it doesn't have everything the user needs out of the box is intentional.

▲the_mitsuhiko 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> The point of Pi is that the user can tell the agent to improve itself and give it the tools it does need.

The point of Pi is to be minimal but also follow what the models need. We were pretty outspoken that models need code execution, and that's why Pi to this day has a very small set of tools available. However as more and more training with these models abstracts even over toolcalls themselves with code mode and similar things, it requires changes to Pi.

Mario and I talked about this last week if you want to know our thinking: https://x.com/pidotdev/status/2104510506627121451

And yes, that's why there is no Jev tool in Pi either.

▲pkulak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, but some things are too low-level to be skills or extensions. Code mode seems like that to me.

▲charcircuit 2 hours ago | parent [-]

With Pi the agent edits agent itself. That's one of the reasons it's written in typescript, to make such iteration fast. Going even lower, into the language runtime or operating system shouldn't be necessary but technically also possible.