| ▲ | TrackerFF 2 hours ago |
| Yeah, people are unfortunately not informed on just how much power border agents wield. Not only in the US, but in many (most I'd believe) other countries, too. I've worked on cases (intel side) where the law-enforcement side would just wait for the surveillance objects to cross the border, as that's where they could do most data collection with the least hassle. If for whatever reason you think you're being investigated or surveilled (who knows for what these days, could be enough to just associate with the various protest groups / orgs), you can just assume that the border will be where they'll try to clone / download your data (phones, laptops, whatever) |
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| ▲ | jwr an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| I'm lucky to live in a country (Poland) where border agents can either let you in, arrest you if there is an arrest warrant, or detain but only with a lawful basis for detention (as in, you are posing a threat to others) and detention may be used only when other measures have proved pointless or ineffective. This makes returning to the country nice and pleasant. The border agents never ask you creepy questions like: Where are you going? Where will you be staying? What do you intend to do? (it's what US border agents ask their citizens). They just say hi and let you in. |
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| ▲ | keiferski an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Poland border agents do ask why you're visiting. Don't know where you're getting that info. | | |
| ▲ | jwr 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | My point was that Polish citizens do not get asked. This is different for Americans. US citizens entering their own country have to answer these bizarre and sometimes creepy questions. | | | |
| ▲ | ryanbrunner an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The obvious difference between your experiences and the person you're replying to is that he's residing there and you're visiting. You're right that your rights are far more limited when you're a visitor to a country crossing a border, but he and this thread are talking about what rights residents to a country have regarding the border. | |
| ▲ | orwin an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | At least not if from the EU. |
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| ▲ | ShinyLeftPad an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Strongly depends where you're from. I know of people who were turned around. | | | |
| ▲ | WesolyKubeczek an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | But if you are from outside the EU, it’s tad different. |
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| ▲ | __MatrixMan__ 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I dream of a future where the disk image in my laptop both functions as an operating system, but can also be decrypted into secret files. We'll keep the extra entropy in a pile of AI slop next to the other piles of AI slop. That way, under scrutiny, it just looks like an OS full of AI slop. |
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| ▲ | kypro 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| UK is crazy for this. Border police can detain anyone they like for literally no reason and if they do you have no right to lawyer or no right to silence. Your devices can also be taken and you must hand over any passwords. I know the UK is an authoritarian state and not really comparable to the US, but as a Brit it's kinda weird hearing Americans complain about flock cameras and arbitrary border searches – these are common place things in the UK and no one cares (well, apart from me and maybe one or two others). |
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| ▲ | seanhunter 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That is not true. The specific powers of arrest and detention by UK border force were set out in this freedom of information response here https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/uk_border_force_power... Summary is they can’t detain people for no reason, they can detain people for specific offences relating to immigration and citizenship, customs and excise and also the normal stuff any regular police officer can arrest people for. I’m no apologist for how much state authority they have, but it’s not as bad as you’re making out. | | |
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| ▲ | rdm_blackhole 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is true. The UK border agents (technically counter-terrorism) can stop you at the border, force you into a room, ask for your passwords to all your devices and you don't have the right to refuse. You also don't have the right to a lawyer to be in a room with you and you are compelled to answer all their questions and they do not need to tell you why they stopped you. Then, if you are lucky they return your devices 7 days later after they have been through everything. This guy went through it last year and talks about what happens when they stop you: https://youtu.be/991kRp8KUmo?si=-5S1uLE7K9KG_gNj | | |
| ▲ | suslik an hour ago | parent [-] | | > you don't have the right to refuse What happens if I still do? Or pretend that I forgot my pin and accidentally lock my phone down? | | |
| ▲ | iamnothere 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | They serve you a RIPA notice and you either provide the password or they prosecute you. Penalties are 2-5 years in jail depending on the nature of the investigation. I avoid flying anywhere near the UK or its territories. | |
| ▲ | rdm_blackhole an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The guy in the video explains exactly that. If you are a UK citizen, they will charge you under the terrorism act if you refuse to answer their questions or if you try to conceal anything or if you refuse to provide all the passwords to all your devices. As for what happens when you can genuinely not remember your passwords, I honestly don't know. The guy in the video just gave them access to everything because he travels a lot and did not want to have to explain why he has a terrorism charge to his name every-time he has to apply for a new visa. Maybe you can refuse and stay silent and fight the charge later in court with a good lawyer but who knows. IANAL so do your own research before doing anything. As for what happens if you are a foreigner and refuse to unlock your devices/ answer their questions, they can deport you and potentially ban you from entering the country for a certain amount of time or indefinitely. | | |
| ▲ | godwinson__4-8 3 minutes ago | parent [-] | | > Maybe you can refuse and stay silent and fight the charge later in court with a good lawyer but who knows. IANAL... You ask who knows. Then you say IANAL. I'm excited for you. You're so close to identifying who might know! Keep doing your own research, you got this. |
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| ▲ | rurban an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Welcome to the "democratic" regimes of US, UK, Russia and Turkey. Arbitrary border searches, interrogations and imprisonment, if you are on the wrong end of the political spectrum. | |
| ▲ | mvc 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | All the shady stuff the UK does, it does at the behest of the US. | | |
| ▲ | someonebaggy 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think so. I think the British public genuinely want to live in an authoritarian surveillance state. Once they do, they might stop wanting to live in one. But for now they want it. | | |
| ▲ | Ylpertnodi 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | They don't.
But cameras - like where I am now - came in gradually, and the public only get to see motorway crashes and the stuff the .gov want you to see.
If the aussies have facial recognition, so do the brits. One eye.
That will rule them all. |
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