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| ▲ | CoolestBeans an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| The problem is twofold. One, even a monopoly AI provider wouldn't have pricing power against its suppliers. Its suppliers are energy, semiconductors, and real estate. Semiconductors maybe they could get some leverage on but energy and real estate have plenty of other buyers. Two, there's still no evidence of a runaway scenario (ie a small lead turns into a big lead over time) and there's still no evidence that there's some resource that you can deny everyone else that they can't build your product also. You can't hoard energy, compute, memory, data, human talent, or customers. The net effect is that the most likely scenario is if one big lab fails, they will likely all fail. Their revenues are all correlated. To go to your dotcom comparison, the winner will be the ones picking through the assets that were written down by orders of magnitude and trying new products with the technology until one sticks to the wall. But I don't know if a dramatic crash is guaranteed either. |
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| ▲ | aleph_minus_one an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >
The problem is twofold. One, even a monopoly AI provider wouldn't have pricing power against its suppliers. Its suppliers are energy, semiconductors, and real estate. Semiconductors maybe they could get some leverage on but energy and real estate have plenty of other buyers. Concerning the leverage on energy and real estate: don't forget that the AI companies have quite a lot of choice where to build their data centers. So AI companies have lots of opportunities to play several parties off against each other (in particular also for real estate and energy). | |
| ▲ | 3d2 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "but it can stay there so long as the balance sheet doesn't deteriorate." Uhm, what? LOL. People dont value firms based on balance sheets fella. Have you taken a basic valuation class? Tesla is a nice stock for traders - they like the volatility. Nobody holds Tesla as stock for investing. If you were to truly value it on an intrinsic value basis you'd have to bring in failure risk. |
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| ▲ | jaggederest 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I suspect this is going to end up like most services provided e.g. cloud stuff, balkanized between a couple major players and an assortment of DIY or less popular options if you don't like those ecosystems, plus some UX/DX focused wrappers that use the big players under the hood. I think that would be a pretty satisfactory outcome compared to one hypercompany consuming trillions of dollars of the world economy. |
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| ▲ | skybrian an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| “Divide the world” sounds ominous. Here’s another scenario to consider: Internet access is not really unlimited, but for many people with fiber at home, it effectively is and we pay a flat rate. Perhaps by the end of next year, most programmers will stop thinking about metered access for AI? For many people, the cheaper models (about as good as today’s frontier models) will be good enough. Which might sound good, but the downside is that it will also be easier to build an AI botnet without the users paying for it noticing. Particularly when people are running AI inference on their own hardware. |
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| ▲ | pixl97 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Hardware is still insanely hard to get a hold of, and the stuff that's being built doesn't really work for home use. Maybe if it crashes Nvidia will adjust the hardware flow. My guess is even if the AI market busts there is still a massive demand for hardware as models are solving all kind of problems now. But ya, lots of hardware everywhere not managed well is how you get sovereign AI. |
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| ▲ | pianopatrick an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Or, like airlines, the ones that are left will have great technology but be not so great from a business and financial perspective. To me AI seems like a commodity service. |
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| ▲ | pvab3 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Like airlines but starting off with hundreds of billions of dollars of obligations and debt |
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| ▲ | 3d2 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| THe problem with analogies is that they are imperfect. I would argue those who already rule the world, will continue to do so. What happens to OAI and Anthropic? No idea, probs go bust. Google just has to offer a half-decent offering in the long run and have a cost-advantage and it'll eventually knock OAI and Anthropic out as firms figure out what combination of models they want to be best for their economics and generating returns. Enterprises trust google over OAI and Anthropic. A clear signal of this was the Apple deal. Dont forget those sweet returns fellas! CEO's are hired to make the owners wealthier. That is not gone. |
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