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▲ babelfish 2 hours ago

> We’ll continue to gather feedback from early testers as we iterate on guardrails before making Argon available to developers, enterprises, and consumers as soon as possible.

Gemini not beating the "can't release a model" allegations

▲Androider 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My Gemini app (updated today) and https://gemini.google.com/ has _3.6_ as the latest selectable model, as a paying Pro user in the US. How is that even possible? Gemini 3.7 was released in August, 3.8 early September. What is going on over there?

▲rahimnathwani 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

In my consumer gmail account with Pro, I see:

  3.5 Flash-Lite
  3.8 Flash
  3.1 Pro
In both a paid Google Workspace account (without the AI addon) and a free 'GSuite' account, I see:

  3.6 Flash
  3.6 Thinking
  3.1 Pro
▲Yizahi 8 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same for me, 3.6 in Gemini Chat, and 3.8 available same day as it was announced in AI Studio using the same account.

▲vlyan 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

just Google being whatever the fuck it's been for the past 15 years.

▲forshaper 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

a distributed market research institution with no direction?

▲wasabi991011 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would imagine you are experiencing a bug. I've been using 3.8 daily since its release (on a Pro plan in Canada). I believe this is true of many people.

What is your reason to believe this is not a bug specific to a small set of Pro users?

▲HotHotLava 9 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Would that change anything about the conclusion? Having a "bug" that changes available model options for some small set of Pro users 3 months after launch certainly qualifies as a wtf-are-they-even-doing level of bug in my book.

▲bobtheborg 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

My paid company Google Workspace account is stuck on 3.6.

My free gmail account is not.

▲asdfasgasdgasdg an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's weird. I got 3.8 and 3.7 on the days they were released. https://imgur.com/a/Xu4wRLM (this is on gemini.google.com, but the same is true of the iOS app and the desktop app).

▲XzAeRosho 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was reading the announcement and wondering the same. And don't forget, still with 3.1 Pro as the frontier model.

▲ttul an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Indeed. They have this amazing model and you can’t access it in their own branded app. It’s insane.

▲AuthAuth 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

they moved it from the place you'd expect to ai.studio

▲modeless 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

When I said I was tired of Google launching waitlists I didn't think they would respond by simply not having a waitlist.

▲ionwake 2 hours ago | parent [-]

i know this is like "hey guys we got such a cool thing at home ,its rad and uhm we playing with it with our friends"

ok bro thx

▲Culonavirus an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yeah what's up with that. Also what's with the next big update for Nano Banana? Nano Banana Pro was released almost a year ago!

▲mrieck an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm glad.

I already pay $300+ for subs. Please don't tempt me with another $100 sub just because I got curious if the benchmarks were right.

▲cmrdporcupine an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They will go through the usual transition of "can't release a model" to "won't load in a harness normal people can use for 3-4 weeks" to "it's smart as hell but completely inept at tool use and coding" like every Gemini release.

▲bakugo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're just following the current AI marketing playbook. "Our new model is simply too dangerous to release to the public right away" is now standard practice.

They even gave their model a random nonsensical name suffix simply because OpenAI is now doing it, too. Monkey see, monkey do.

▲A_D_E_P_T 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm still at a loss as to what argon has to do with anything. Say what you will about Luna-Terra-Sol-Astra, or Haiku-Sonnet-Opus, they make sense. I don't see how Google can make sense of argon; it's in a fairly strange place in the periodic table...

▲brainwad 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

They are going alphabetically, Android style.

▲IX-103 an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah, I heard the next one was Barium...or was it Boron?

I was going to say I don't know what they'd do for C, since Carbon and Calcium are already things. But knowing Google, they'll probably call it Chromium.

▲A_D_E_P_T 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

They could use caesium or cadmium, which are hardly less weird than argon.

▲fooker 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Google R Gon lose the AI race

▲ryandrake 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

All-my-tokens-ar-gon

▲jstummbillig 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> now standard practice.

Opus 5.5 and Sol 6.1, literally state of the art (in their respective class), were just released without any prior announcement. This has pure and simple become a Google thing.

▲kevinh 2 hours ago | parent [-]

OpenAI said they dropped Astra 6.1 over safety concerns: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/openai-chatgpt-model-release-can...

▲jstummbillig an hour ago | parent [-]

I don't read that as the same category: There was no announcement, no benchmarks, no limited release and no promises about what will happen with that model. It failed internal safety standards. Might be scrapped entirely due to a failed training run, for all we know.