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▲ bruce511 2 hours ago

So obviously each college is different. And your experience is not mine.

But my college did not train me to get a job the first time. Indeed they explicitly explained to us that that was not their goal. That was helpful because up to then we did think they were doing job training.

What they actually set out to do was make us "smarter" people. In the sense that they taught us to analyze problems, work in teams, find creative solutions. They taught us about research and critical thinking, and logic and so on. How to hypothesize, test, evaluate, adapt.

You don't need to go back to college to learn all that again. You already know it. Skills are easily, and quickly taught and learned. That's the easy part. The hard part is approaching a job as a problem to solve- how and where to add value. Value people will pay for.

Look around you. See unmet needs. Figure out what you need to do to meet those needs. That's the real challenge we face going into this next era.

▲mitthrowaway2 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I don't know where you are, but when I hire mechanical engineers, I hire them from universities with accredited engineering programs. It's actually a legal requirement for the job in my jurisdiction. And if those engineers decide they want to become daycare teachers or knee surgeons, they do have to go back to university and re-train, even though they already learned how to think the first time.

▲ForHackernews an hour ago | parent [-]

There are many fast-track teaching certification programs for people who already have a university degree https://tntpteachingfellows.org/

Healthcare is another growing field that's easy to get into with only 1- or 2-year certification programs for some positions.

▲harimau777 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Is that true for healthcare careers that don't have abysmal quality of life? All of the nurses I've known are working 60 hour weeks, night shifts, etc.

▲dmkolobov an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Did you graduate yesterday? Have you actually lived in the world?

My unmet needs are $2.5k rent and $2k childcare, per month. Then there's food, healthcare, car payments. There is pretty much zero wiggle room for us.

▲stasomatic 27 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Only $2.5K rent? That's like free these days. For what though. I rented a 4K sq ft house in Charlotte three years ago and now paying $3.5K for not a modern 2bdr in Miami proper.

▲dmkolobov 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

For sure! Still more money than I can fathom bringing in if software engineering went away tomorrow.

1300 sq ft house with a big yard for the toddler.

▲stasomatic a few seconds ago | parent [-]

I keep telling my 22y who graduated from a university last year to go to a trade school (HVAC/ electric, plumbing). Too late for me as these require apprenticeships in the US.

My HVAC contact in FL needs a $100 just to sniff the AC/boiler closet. That is, if I can get him to show up. I don't even know if he's licensed here, but he's definitely very experienced.

▲ForHackernews an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

If you're unemployed, you won't need to pay 2 grand/month for someone else to watch your children, and you don't have to pay San Francisco rents if you're not working there.

▲harimau777 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think "just give up your existing community and move" is a viable option. That defeats the whole point since at that point the retraining isn't allowing you to maintain your quality of life.

▲AndrewKemendo 16 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> just give up your existing community and move" is a viable option.

That’s been how humanity has always worked, human migration is probably the largest single driver of social change in human history

Millions of people migrate every year today, I’m not sure what you think the alternative is

▲krapp 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

It is a viable option. "Quality of life" is a luxury and programmers no longer belong to the class that can afford it. Do what everyone else does and go wherever the jobs are and live at whatever quality the market decides that you deserve.

▲harimau777 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think you are missing the point of the discussion. The idea behind "just retrain" rhetoric is effectively "new technology won't destroy people's quality of life because they can just retrain!". If quality of life isn't maintained, then there is no reason to retrain at all, people can just get a minimum wage job and live in poverty.

▲krapp 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

The rhetoric was a lie. Capitalists lie. That new technology always creates a surplus of newer, better jobs and quality of life always improves for everyone was a lie. That you can "just retrain" and everything will remain the same was a lie.

Even if you "retrain" your quality of life will go down because the market value of your life will go down as automation and AI improve, unless you're a member of the capitalist class. Which, if you need to work for a living at all, you aren't. No matter what you do unless you're personally wealthy your quality of life will go down. That's just what an efficient market does to most people, and AI is going to make the market brutally efficient.

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▲dmkolobov 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Your solution to childcare is permanent unemployment?

This is Denver rent actually, and increasingly most urban centers.

▲tripleee an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

This works if you're interested in running a business, but what well paying work doesn't require a degree or some kind of formal training certification?