| ▲ | walrus01 3 hours ago |
| I'd be more astonished if there isn't something superior to the SR71 (likely unmanned) that has been flying around at night from facilities like Groom Lake for years. Look at how long the RQ180 was flying around in semi-public and known about before it became seen in daylight by plane spotters in Greece. And a long time before that there were public relations approved photos of the Lockheed Martin Polecat. There were a series of extremely public quotations from senior DoD officially recently about how they plan to aggressively retire the Global Hawk program (which is a mostly non stealth aircraft), reading between the lines it's because they have something much better. edit: for those who haven't seen the RQ180: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=RQ180+gre... edit 2 (apologies for the X link): https://x.com/MechDesignxyz/status/2041281689838584193 |
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| ▲ | hilsdev 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I suspect everything comparable of late has been orbital, which begs the question what is it they’re worried about with orbital? Satellite warfare is already accelerating if the rumors are true, is it that this is untouchable still? Is there some new camera sensor where eliminating that extra atmospheric diffraction or slowing down (lol) is needed? |
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| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I am sure that the orbital capabilities are also vastly improved from what the public has ever seen. But I think there's likely a high degree of tactical value in having something that can keep station over a certain active conflict area (as an RQ180 can, maybe flying in a racetrack pattern at altitude, with sensors aimed down). If you've ever seen the publicly released videos and audio of an RQ9 operator in communication with ground units watching the activity of a group of men/vehicles on the ground, in live real time, something like that. As compared to periodic revisits by LEO orbit satellites that don't maintain persistent live coverage, or the extreme distance and data acquisition problem that aiming sensors in geostationary orbit at a 10x10km target area might pose. | | |
| ▲ | Demiurge 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | There are satellites in geostationary orbit that have realtime live feed and agile pointing capability. However, besides the SAR, RGB style observations are limited by clouds, and also you can’t switch out the sensors on a whim. Airborne platforms are always more flexible and cheaper for certain missions. | | |
| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Without leaking anything that's even remotely close to classified, WAMI (wide area multispectral imagery) sensor systems that can mount on even relatively medium sized group 3 UAV are really damn good these days. This is a pretty basic unit compared to the things that aren't publicly known: https://www.logostech.net/products/redkite/ https://www.logostech.net/products/blackkite-i/ | | |
| ▲ | jauntywundrkind an hour ago | parent [-] | | This guy has been working on their own SAR drone for a while, just had another really nice blog post. Definitely looks like it weighs <10 lbs. He post-processes, but I doubt that's that hard to rework.
https://hforsten.com/interferometric-synthetic-aperture-rada... | | |
| ▲ | walrus01 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It looks like a DIY implementation of some of the commercial land surveying SAR payloads that companies will sell you (for $60,000) to fly below a DJI M400 or similar size craft for tasks like monitoring open pit mines, etc. Also not realtime data return over RF data link, it's a download and post-process workflow. |
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| ▲ | adastra22 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think you are confused. Spy satellites do not use geostationary orbits. | | |
| ▲ | walrus01 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It's not something I can cite with any public URL to a website that's an authoritative source, but if by 'spy' you include SIGINT satellites in that category, yes they absolutely do... Ever seen a diagram of a Boeing (Hughes) 702 series satellite bus and antenna system built for L/S-bands like frequency ranges similar to those used by Thuraya, Inmarsat and Iridium handhelds? It's widely accepted in the commercial two way satellite telecom industry that the NSA has comparable things with big unfolding umbrella-like antennas in geostationary which serve a similar purpose for signals collection. | |
| ▲ | Demiurge 30 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Why do you think I am confused? Is this a form of internet condenscension, or are you able to diagnose my mental state based a single comment? No, I don't think I'm confused. |
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| ▲ | tiffanyh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Didn’t satellites with superior optics and realtime video streaming … kill the need for an SR71 update? |
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| ▲ | t2r3121 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | For visual and SAR, sure, but there are other missions like electronic warfare and signals intelligence that are still well served by aircraft. | | |
| ▲ | adastra22 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Not by a mach 3+ aircraft. Good luck getting signals through the plasma of your own wake! | | |
| ▲ | LargoLasskhyfv 40 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Plasma is electrically conductive. Modulate it as needed, in realtime. Enjoy the dynamically phased plasmarray. |
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| ▲ | stickfigure 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I'd be more astonished if there isn't something superior to the SR71 Makes me wonder if this whole operation is just public cover for something like that. |
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| ▲ | tclancy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The problem is the people in charge now have not earned that kind of faith. If they’re truly trying to relight these things, my heart goes out in advance to the neighborhood in the Southwest that burns down before they rethink it. | | |
| ▲ | sippingabonedry 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > The problem is the people in charge now have not earned that kind of faith. If you set partisan politics aside for 90 seconds, you might realize that regardless of the administration publicly in charge, the government is always doing stuff behind closed doors that your brain could not even begin to comprehend how they pull it off. Stories like this hilariously implausible "grizzled old man casually leaks secret program to Aviation Week" is like throwing a cat a ball of yarn. | | |
| ▲ | not_kurt_godel 15 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Now turn your brain back on and wonder a 34-time felon & rapist POTUS who steals from charity is doing behind closed doors. | |
| ▲ | stickfigure an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | On the other hand our commander-in-chief (engineering expert that he is) has ordered the Navy to switch back to steam catapults on an already half-built carrier. That will also require bringing back 70 year old retirees. Pretty sure Trump would switch back to coal if he could find any living boilermakers. Sometimes bad ideas are just stupidity. | | |
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| ▲ | adastra22 an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is Isaacman we're talking about. He is about as good faith as they get (low bar, I know, but for real this time). |
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| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Or something as mundane as cleaning up and fixing something that's been out in the weather for 20 years so it doesn't look shabby at the front gate of their base. | | |
| ▲ | Waterluvian 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t know anything but I can’t imagine they need specialists if it’s just a cosmetics job for a monument. | | |
| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Or the whole "retired guy in his late 70s gives a quotation to aviation week" is a red herring intended for US adversaries, which seems like a fairly basic ruse, but might have been put together as a coordinated plan. It could have its own value of sending opposing nation state intelligence agencies and air defense people down a man-hour wasting dead end of investigating something that'll never happen. |
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| ▲ | dreamcompiler 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If they were doing that they would say so. In fact if they were smart they would say that regardless of the true story. The fact they aren't saying that means they're either stupid or playing 4D chess. I know which I'd bet on. | | |
| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Another theory is that some smart people already know better, and they know they're going to waste many millions of dollars investigating its feasibility, but they've been given an order from Whiskey Pete and have to at least go through the motions of writing a study/detailed report on why it's not possible to reactivate in a reasonable amount of time or budget. Never underestimate how often the US military will send a group of subordinate people to do what is effectively busy-work. |
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| ▲ | adventured an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The SR-71 is because they need to test for speed. That serves a huge number of things both offense and defense: engagement, radar, missiles, trying to boost the speed capabilities of new planes & weapons. And it applies both to manned and unmanned planes. Russia is less of a concern now, however China is coming on very fast in terms of leveling up their military capabilities. I'd be very surprised if the US military isn't looking to push its capabilities around increasing speed generally, just as it does any other aspect. There hasn't been a significant leveling up in US Air Force speed capabilities in many decades (since the F22 supercruise three decades ago?). |
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| ▲ | greesil 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This has got to be a trump thing. "Big beautiful ramjets!" And so on |
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| ▲ | c0nducktr an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yeah it seems most likely it's because someone connected to the administration just thinks they're cool. Trying to find reason behind so much of this shit is a fools errand. Vibes based presidency. |
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| ▲ | King-Aaron 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I know it's probably a forbidden topic around these parts, but the 'tic tac' thing that those FA18 pilots saw several years ago may be indicative of what Lockheed etc are flying up there. It's a hot topic in conspiracy circles but it wouldn't surprise me if a bulk load of ufo sightings were black projects being tested. |
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| ▲ | krapp 6 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | >but it wouldn't surprise me if a bulk load of ufo sightings were black projects being tested. Sure, I'd bet a lot of "black triangle" sightings are exactly that. But if the "tic-tac" lore is to be taken at face value, the implication is that the US military has invented antigravity technology, or reverse engineered it from alien spacecraft. I really don't think that's plausible. If the US had that kind of technology we would be so far ahead of the rest of known science that there would be no value in keeping it secret. | |
| ▲ | bigyabai 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | If those tic-tac videos were actually a classified aircraft, those airmen would have signed an NDA before they left the carrier. The fact that we know about it (and see the FLIR videos, regularly, released by the government) suggests that they are exactly what they claim to be; UFOs. It could be phenomena, it could be noumenon. We've seen a lot of the stuff that used to be classified from Skunk Works, none of them are supersonic orb prototypes or flying tic-tacs. I'm not saying they can't develop that technology and hide it from the public, but it's unclear how all of the puzzle pieces we have fit together to support "Lockheed sends flying orb to Syria without telling CENTCOM" in any way. | | |
| ▲ | walrus01 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The Tacit Blue is kinda tic-tac shaped (with wings sticking out the sides), but it's also a historical museum artifact now and, as far as I know, was quite slow and cumbersome. |
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