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▲ vdombr an hour ago

It's been almost half a year since we got powerful enough models, and I'm wondering, where are all those great things that were created with them? Maybe it's just me, but nothing has changed in my life so far. No improvements, but definitely, I need to be more careful when reading, listening, watching, and using things, as bad quality slowly creeps everywhere.

▲notJim an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I'm seeing a ton of niche apps being built that otherwise wouldn't have been. As an example, NegPy is an app that gives you much more precise control when working with film negatives, and has been built largely w/ AI tools. There are a small couple of other photography related niche apps I've seen taking off, for example, for managing your Fuji recipes. I'm working on a Lightroom replacement myself, which I never would've taken on before AI tools.

In terms of personal life, I certainly find AI tools pretty useful especially given how awful Google is now, and coding tools are indispensable at work.

▲camillomiller an hour ago | parent [-]

You’re all confirming the point by quoting niche examples of things that wouldn’t sustain a million dollar a year market, let alone contribute to a 6 trillion dollar one.

▲notJim 24 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I was not agreeing or disagreeing with that point, I was answering the question that was asked.

I think if there's a $6T market, it will come via integrations with the products and workflows of large companies, which is obviously also happening. Apparently the tech sector as a whole is worth $5 to $10T, so it's actually not inconceivable there's $6T worth of value there (especially since the value will not be constrained to the tech sector).

▲98753579909754 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Where exactly does the OP mention a 6 trillion dollar market?

▲fcarraldo an hour ago | parent | next [-]

In the title.

▲nozzlegear an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's the title of the article you're commenting on:

> AI needs $6tn in annual revenue to justify data centre boom, Bain says

▲GlacierFox 24 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The title. Are you an AI?

▲wieieq an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

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▲drivebyhooting an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Do you build things for yourself? I’ve unlocked tremendous value just by scratching my own itches so to speak.

But taking those bespoke contraptions to market is not something I want to out effort into. Especially when anyone can just clone it with AI.

The AI revolution might not show up so easily in GDP.

▲vconnor 31 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you are building for yourself instead of buying from someone else, you haven’t unlocked any value in the economic sense. Perhaps by making NVIDIA richer, but who knows how much they have indirectly spent through AI companies these years to get your couple dollars a month back to Jensen’s pocket.

▲BobbyJo 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

A company/person that writes its/their own application that shaves 1% off capex or opex will absolutely unlock value in the economic sense.

▲Gattopardo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It appears that out of a desperate urge to show your "Well Actually" Club Card that you've proved their entire point.

▲fragmede 12 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

GDP is known to have shortcomings. The example from HN a bit ago is mowing the lawn. If I mow my own lawn and my neighbor mows there, the GDP doesn't move. If I mow my neighbors for $200 and they mow mine for $200, $400 gets added to the GDP. So the software I wrote for myself won't show up in any GDP calculation. How happy (or not) I am over that software doesn't show up in the GDP. My subscription to the AI provider is the only thing that will. Now, will that, multiplied over millions of users reach $6T? I have no idea. GDP is a metric like any other and is just as subject to Goodhart's law.

▲camillomiller an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You explained the problem brilliantly. Frontier models are great at making you tinker and come up with shit you wouldn’t have done because there is zero value in it and you would have had to bet a value N (time, money) to obtain before this investors-subsidized almost-free software existed. This is deluding individuals and CEOs and everyone who seems incapable to abstract from the sycophantic personal experience into systemic thinking. To be fair, LLMs have been engineered to give this illusion, so the fault lies with the grifters controlling them.

Now are there useful applications of these tools (not gods) that might justify a sizeable new tech market? Absolutely yes! Is that market ever be going to be worth trillions a year? LOL hell no.

▲bojan an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

So you've unlocked tremendous value, but you're not earning any money?

So where is the value? Have you built that one application you always wished existed but it wasn't available?

▲0x457 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Have you built that one application you always wished existed but it wasn't available?

Yes, more than one and I use them a lot. Not being good at design and not liking front-end, among a few other things, work always stopped from from building them before,

> So you've unlocked tremendous value, but you're not earning any money?

No, I also don't make money from my coffee machine, but it provides value.

▲franktankbank 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The idea would be its deflationary I guess. Your dollar goes further with these tools.

▲adamddev1 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Exactly. Software seems to be getting worse. The internet is getting filled with more and more bloat and falsehoods.

I have yet to see any truly great products made with heavily agentic coding. Correct me if I'm wrong?

▲schainks an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm de-FAANG-ing my life. One AI subscription can do the lift of a lot of other subscriptions when it comes to putting OSS tools on my homelab, and I truly don't need _everything_ when I'm on the go.

▲scoofy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wrote a golf simulator that helps visualize golf architecture with help from Gemini. When I published my first piece, I got an email from Tom Doak and the head of data science at Arccos. An absolutely insane response for my dumb blog. I was invited to the Renaissance Cup this year, almost certainly because of that post; golf nerds can tell you what a huge deal that is.

The blog post is here for anyone interested: https://golfcoursewiki.substack.com/p/i-spent-the-last-month...

Things are happening… and quickly, even if we are not quite to the point where VC’s are ready fund prototypes of robots to fold your laundry. Most of what’s happening is nerds finally building the project they’ve always dreamed of outside the traditional funding pathways.

▲darkwizard42 an hour ago | parent [-]

For what its worth, https://www.weaverobotics.com/ is one of those VC-funded robot-to-fold-your-laundry companies! I think physical world implications are coming!

▲runarberg 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

I expect to see this laundry folding robot when I can take the hyperloop between LA and San Francisco.

To be fair the chances of the laundry folding robot is quite a bit higher then that of the hyperloop, but my point is that I believe it when I see it. And even when I see it, I will be skeptical that this AI lunacy we are in now is directly responsible for laundry folding robots, that is I think we could have laundry folding robots without those trillions of dollars of datacenter investments and training of LLMs.

▲abixb an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I remember making a comment here on HN a couple weeks ago.[0]

One of the things that was promised in 2024 was a "deflationary spiral" for physical goods and the economy in general because of insane efficiencies that AI would supposedly bring. I believed that whole-heartedly and I was a huge AI fanboi even as my artists friends and Lib Arts friends were complaining.

We're in almost October 2026 now and they're nowhere in sight. We have a bunch of unreliable agents that do clerical and design work here and there, but where are all the industrial productivity boosts? If AI were so good, large industries and factories should be adopting them as a never-before-seen scale. Where are they?

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49735506

▲magimas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

computer scientists/software engineers and their completely messed up sense of how long it takes for things to actually take a hold in real life is always a bit amusing to me.

Half a year is not a lot of time when it comes to meaningful change in directions that matter.

▲freetonik an hour ago | parent [-]

Sure but the core point of commercial LLM’s pitch is tremendous speed up in development. It’s been speeding up for years now, yet like the commenter above I too cannot notice any improvements as an end user.

▲bobthepanda an hour ago | parent [-]

also, the part that is making lenders and such nervous is that they like to be paid on time on a schedule, and it's unclear how they will keep doing so without growing an increasingly large amount of debt.

▲qaq an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It's actually is an interesting point. On personal level I've built a few products but I did spend a ton of time exploring things I was really curious about that will never amount to anything practical beyond satisfying my curiosity.

▲tetraodonpuffer 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think it's more, let's layoff 20% of the people, give the rest some of the money saved in tokens, deliver features a lot faster (or at least expect them to). Jury's out how long this can continue before the "nobody understands the code anymore" chickens come home to roost.

▲thraway3837 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We have replaced multiple 100k contracts from SaaS vendors with fully AI created alternatives. AI is a tool. In the hands of talented and efficient workplaces, it is like any tool. But, if you give the latest DeWalt OMT to a person who doesn't know or is scared of it, and put them in an organization that is full of politics and bureaucracy, then that tool is going to be useless.

▲nozzlegear an hour ago | parent [-]

You might be one of the rare few doing that. According to Stripe Economics, the supposed SaaSpocalypse brought about by AI actually resulted in accelerated revenue growth for SaaS. Companies just aren't building these custom SaaS-killers like HN would have us believe.

https://www.stripeeconomics.com/p/the-saaspocalypse-was-more...

▲Gud an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I just invented a simple upgrade script for my father's ancient Fedora install. I've gone from version 33 to the latest(44) with a simple utility I one shot in 5 minutes.

Since Fedora moves old releases to some mirror it's a nightmare to update old installs.

Now I did it very conveniently. Did I build a space ship with the help of ChatGPT? No. Is it useful to me? Yes.

I'm doing many much cooler things that I haven't released yet but I am launching projects I never dreamed I could do as a solo dev in 2-3 months.

▲vdombr an hour ago | parent [-]

I did some projects, but there are some things that I don't like. For example, when I wrote a program for my old ThinkPad, I didn't only create a useful utility for myself, but also learned and practiced Qt/C++. Now, I don't learn anything new, nor do I practice my skills when I "create" something. Maybe, the things I'm learning are how to prompt LLMs, add necessary skill files, and so on.

▲anthonypasq an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

are you under the impression 6 months is a long amount of time?

▲user43928 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I've been working on my project, a paid mobile app, for five months now.

I'm pretty confident I can release it in October, after some 500 hours of work.

Usually in these discussions I get "so it has zero users then".

One time someone on here told me that for AI to prove its worth for software engineering, my application would need to be in use already for at least ten years.

▲owebmaster 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

What value do you expect a 5 months of work app not launched yet to have? You might pretty much have wasted 500 hours if nobody want to pay for it.

▲qzw an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

According to some AI proponents, that’s like 60 months in pre-AI time.

▲vdombr an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Well, yes. Now you can create an MVP in 2-3 days, you know :D

▲baxtr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most big companies are performance theaters see token maxxing as one prominent example.

But go and talk to small companies. What they are able to pull off is just incredible. More features in shorter time. Improved UX and client satisfaction.

On a society level 6 months is nothing. This will take about 10 years to penetrate all organizations I assume.

▲vdombr an hour ago | parent [-]

Do people need this "more features in a shorter time"? I can say that, for me, I stopped reading changelogs because some software that I use started to update too often. If there are any new features that were added, I probably won't notice them.

And I remember times when people got angry at companies for "improving their UX" and breaking the daily routines of their users.

▲tchock23 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But I bet you’re making restaurant reservations so much faster than before!

▲cm2187 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Strongly disagree, and I am one of those who believe this is a bubble.

At home, Claude has been a god send to make it easy to learn using linux, and all sort of technologies. My personal learning curve has gone steep at an age where people start flattening out (40s).

At work, we use AI to automate 50-75% of our work. Better quality output, more productivity. I work in a bank. But the average plumber or electrician benefits too. In minutes they can become an expert into some tech they never touched before.

I thought crypto was bullshit, web 2.0 was bullshit, meta-universe was bullshit. AI is bubbly, not sure how you can justify multi-trillon valuations for companies with 80% operating margin in a competitive market where you can switch to the competitor with a drop down. But the productivity gains will be massive for the economy. I think the economy will ultimately reap the reward, not so much the labs. But I may be wrong.

▲msabalau an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What we've seen in the past with generally applicable technologies generally take 20 years to show up as productivity.

There was a Bank of Korea study that showed AI saved workers about 1.5 hours a week, with with no increase in output. Just because I'm more productive at a task, it doesn't mean the people up or downstream of my work benefit. And my time probably gets sucked into meetings. (In the study, solo entrepreneurs did benefit--probably because they own everything end to end)

In term of cool little projects, there's all sort of things that people are doing to improve their own lives or make interesting things. No shame if you're incurious about those.

I mean, I don't know that there is some sort of AI equivalent of the lifechanging magic of rural electrictrifcation. But I don't know that it was ever likely in the near term anyway.

▲GlacierFox 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

20 years? They need 6 trillion soon...

▲latchkey 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

In early May, I broke my leg. Doctor said get on a bike trainer and recover. So, I bought a trainer, didn't like the software that came with it, "wrote" my own with AI. Since it is just written with AI, I made it open source and free for everyone. I'm now months ahead of scheduled recovery. I'd call that a success.

https://github.com/RideControlOrg/RideControl

> Maybe it's just me, but nothing has changed in my life so far.

Manifest whatever you want!

▲GlacierFox 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

What's up with that absolute word salad of a README? Is that slop as well?

▲badc0ffee 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

It reads more like a prompt than a useful README.

▲waynesonfire 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Among a few things ive boticed one notable is devops has been less of a blocker / faster to address issues. Most of the time the asks are trivial but incompetent Devops couldn't figure it out. Now they can ask ai and through their elevated permissions quickly solve the problem.

▲starik36 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I run my own custom version of BlueBubbles and a locally run clone of Wispr Flow. In addition, I've vibe-coded lots of nonsense throwaway apps that helped me with a one time boring task.

Wouldn't have been possible.

▲Apocryphon 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Faster Linux screensavers

▲bossyTeacher 38 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I'm wondering, where are all those great things that were created with them

Maybe you are not looking in the right place. Maybe your expectations are not right. Maybe the revolution isn't a super app but a mini app. Not an app with code written so beautifully it could win a Pulitzer but an app that will be used a couple of times and then discarded.

I am trying to offer an alternate viewpoint (I don't necessarily support it but I thought it was needed).

▲bluefirebrand 35 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Not an app with code written so beautifully it could win a Pulitzer but an app that will be used a couple of times and then discarded

This is almost by definition not revolutionary

▲empath75 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I formally proved an important 2025 CS paper (which I did not write) in Lean last month, it took like 2 or 3 weeks of intermittently poking at claude to keep going. AFAIK, it is the first rust-like borrow checker completely formally proven in Lean.

I'm currently using it as a basis for building a systems language with Rust's memory guarantees, but with new features like generators and co-routines, and effects instead of colored functions. The fact that the borrow checker's properties are formally proven means I can trust more of what Claude is doing than you normally would be able to do.

▲latexr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The responses you’re getting are quite telling. LLMs have unlocked a whirlwind of shit where we can no longer trust most things, communities are suffering with noise, lack of water, increased energy prices, mass surveillance is rapidly increasing, private information is being leaked and sold…

But hey, you can now close yourself off even more, not interact with anyone or develop a skill to get a dumb bash script for a menial task you wouldn’t miss that much anyway if you didn’t have it. Woopie, totally worth it!

▲someonebaggy an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I heard they've been great for the advertising industry, who can now shove personalized slop down all our throats without having to pay animators

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▲shimman an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

You don't think enabling a mass surveillance state as a great thing?