| ▲ | revolvingthrow 5 hours ago |
| There was a model called Astra-Minor, found in the files a few days ago. I assume Sol 6.1 is this, as a last minute panic rename due to Sol 6 being underwhelming while Opus 5.5 turned out really strong. I can't really explain releasing Sol 6 in any other way, especially mere days ago. |
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| ▲ | nsingh2 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I don't understand why they didn't call 6-Sol just 6-Terra. It was 5.6-Terra level pricing with a perf jump. |
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| ▲ | r0b05 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don't understand any of this naming man. It just gets more confusing. | | |
| ▲ | Razengan 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I like it. It's cool and better than Opus, Fable, Sonnet etc. Like who can figure out the ordering? With Luna < Terra < Sol < Astra it's obvious at a glance. I propose for some third company to name after monsters: Cyclops < Minotaur < Ettin < Cerberus < Hydra < Kraken < Nyarlathotep (the AGI singularity stage) | | |
| ▲ | recursive 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > With Luna < Terra < Sol < Astra it's obvious at a glance. It.. is? | | |
| ▲ | n8m8 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s not… why do I need to translate from Latin (or wherever these come from) to understand them? Opus, Sonnet, and Haiku do the same thing, and are widely known words. Not to mention all LLMs do is generate tokens; I prefer the homage to writing over a space reference. | | |
| ▲ | Razengan an hour ago | parent [-] | | Boy wait till you find out where "opus" comes from.. Do you realize how many words from Latin you used in that comment? When was the last time you heard anybody say "opus" or "sonnet" before this? Also it implies that "haikus" are inherently inferior to longer texts which may be kinda frown-inducing.. | | |
| ▲ | clhodapp 23 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's not supposed to be about superior and inferior, it's supposed to be about bigger and smaller. Fable kind of screwed that up, though. |
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| ▲ | wmichelin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | yes, each of these things are larger than the other | | |
| ▲ | Razengan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | If that holds then the ultimate model must be called Urmom | |
| ▲ | sydd 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | and wth is an "astra"? | | |
| ▲ | Sohcahtoa82 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | My brain immediately translated "Luna -> Terra -> Sol -> Astra" to "Moon -> Earth -> Sun -> Galaxy", an overall growing of size. While sure, "astra" doesn't directly translate to "galaxy", it's the base of the word "astronomical" and "astronomy". I feel like people who don't get it immediately are just being deliberately obtuse. | | |
| ▲ | ricericerice 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | i think you underestimate how much you "just getting it" stems from being terminally online - this is a HN model release thread after all | |
| ▲ | urams 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Astra means stars. The more obvious, to me, interpretation was distance from us so I would've expected Terra -> Luna -> Sol -> Astra. When I think of space and astronomical scales, I think of distance as much more common concern. | |
| ▲ | recursive an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't doubt that you feel that way, and there's no way I can really provide you any evidence. But I wasn't trying to be obtuse. | |
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| ▲ | Razengan 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "Ad Astra" my guy. "To The Stars" Many of which are thiccer than our beta ass sun Pretty badass name tbh |
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| ▲ | asa123 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | it really isn’t clear would be something like piss-cheap - it’s-alright-i guess - okay-relax - ouch-my-wallet | |
| ▲ | voiceeh 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Bigger => Bigger, makes sense to me. | |
| ▲ | zaphirplane an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | It isn’t ? ;) celestial bodies Are memorable |
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| ▲ | ngruhn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | There is also more room upwards. Galaxy? Quasar? Filament? | |
| ▲ | iamdelirium 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, Haiku < Sonnet < Opus < Fable/Mythos makes just as much sense. They're larger and larger works. | | |
| ▲ | machomaster 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Many people would get confused on the order of Opus, Fable and Mythos. In my mind, they are even from different groups; fable is a synonym forba fairytale (perhaps with songs), mythos is communicating importance and status instead of a size, while opus is the only one which in my mind communicates a big size. "What did you think about the Tolstoy's book? It was not a book, but a real opus, a tedious, incomprehensible, sluggish monumental opus." | |
| ▲ | Quarrel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Waiting on Limerick to drop. |
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| ▲ | phist_mcgee an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Maybe if English is your first language it does. | |
| ▲ | HDThoreaun 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | opus fable sonnet haiku is way more obvious than luna terra sol astra imo | |
| ▲ | PepegaRoach 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | NolF 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | [dead] | |
| ▲ | sick_of_slop 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | outside1234 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "When in doubt, baffle them with b*llshit" |
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| ▲ | jrflo 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Terra is the "missing middle" model and had no positive brand recognition. Sol was for intelligence, Luna was for efficiency. Luna max was cheaper and smarter than terra light and sol light was better than terra max. | |
| ▲ | swalsh 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I mean, when I upgraded my pipeline from terra to sol saying "it's the same price basically!" I was excited. Probably would not have felt as excited if it was just a version bump. Not sure that's why they did it. But that was my experience. | |
| ▲ | hawk_ 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Because they asked the model what it wanted to be called? |
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| ▲ | ttul 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Was it a last-minute panic, or just OpenAI releasing an update when the had a bit more training under their belt to make 6.1-sol a whole lot better? Either way, I'm extremely pleased and will be giving this model a shot. |
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| ▲ | jumploops 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That seems likely, in the API GPT-6.1 Sol requires reasoning, just like Astra, whereas GPT-6 Sol (and Luna) allow "none" |
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| ▲ | jauntywundrkind 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Theo dropped their Sol 6.1 video and he says he can't tell you, but, shows enough to make it pretty clear. https://youtu.be/vu8X3YroB-w#t=5m30s The smoking gun is how much slower than Sol 6 this is. It's not a retrain. |
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| ▲ | spwa4 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Sol 6 was pretty good the first 4 days or so of it's release. Then it was probably dialed back to a lower effort level and it became really bad. |
